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Thread: Daniel defense v7 lw - how hot does the hand guard get?

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    Quote Originally Posted by duece71 View Post
    Isn't true that some instructors don't want people to wear gloves while in class? Something about trigger control, tactile feel etc....
    Just asking.
    If you are just wearing one on your support hand I wouldn't think it would matter.

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    I haven't encountered an instructor that did not want the students wearing gloves. I've taken carbine classes from Randy Cain, Louis Awerbuck, Bill Jeans, Pat Rogers, Pat McNamara, Kyle Defoor, and Kyle Lamb. None made a comment about gloves either way.

    I personally went from poopooing gloves, to taking to them (thanks to a year spent with the AK and getting cut up) and now I'm at the point that I want to wear them for extended training periods, but I don't want a gun that requires me to wear them.

    As to the handguard heat issue, any of these Brazilian (slick) handguards are going to get hotter. They are closer to the barrel and have less surface area than a 4-rail handguard. The 4-rail handguard systems also lend themselves to covers more readily. I have shot a Troy VTAC handguard to the point of being untouchable with a bare hand by just standing around shooting a steel array for a couple of minutes. Troy has released their squid panels that fit in their holes, but those only work with their product.

    I also find the weight savings to often be a false economy, depending on what you're attaching. Having products from companies like Mount-N-Slot helps, but as soon as you bolt up even some of the shortest rail sections you wind up pushing the weight of your Brazilian handguard right back up to that of the 4-rail system because of the redundancy of material in the bolt-on piece.

    If I were buying a new DD I'd buy the version with the LW barrel and their new 4-rail handguard. I'd cover the handguard with Larue Index Clips in the locations where I was going to be normally putting my hand, and ladder covers anywhere else. IME the best recipe for sheilding your hand from heat is a 4-rail handguard and Larue ICs. The gaps between the individual ICs helps keep the natural heat-sink cooling of the 4-rail system in effect vs. solid covers that trap the heat. They are also the lowest profile cover that I'm aware of, after ladders.

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    I always wear gloves though I choose to stick to inexpensive work gloves like those by Mechanix instead of the thicker types used by Mil/LE. They protect my hands from heat and sharp edges while also suring up my grip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post

    As to the handguard heat issue, any of these Brazilian (slick) handguards are going to get hotter. They are closer to the barrel and have less surface area than a 4-rail handguard. The 4-rail handguard systems also lend themselves to covers more readily. I have shot a Troy VTAC handguard to the point of being untouchable with a bare hand by just standing around shooting a steel array for a couple of minutes. Troy has released their squid panels that fit in their holes, but those only work with their product.

    I also find the weight savings to often be a false economy, depending on what you're attaching. Having products from companies like Mount-N-Slot helps, but as soon as you bolt up even some of the shortest rail sections you wind up pushing the weight of your Brazilian handguard right back up to that of the 4-rail system because of the redundancy of material in the bolt-on piece.

    If I were buying a new DD I'd buy the version with the LW barrel and their new 4-rail handguard. I'd cover the handguard with Larue Index Clips in the locations where I was going to be normally putting my hand, and ladder covers anywhere else. IME the best recipe for sheilding your hand from heat is a 4-rail handguard and Larue ICs. The gaps between the individual ICs helps keep the natural heat-sink cooling of the 4-rail system in effect vs. solid covers that trap the heat. They are also the lowest profile cover that I'm aware of, after ladders.
    Thanks for the thorough reply. Is the rifle you're talking about something like the DD V5 LW?

    I'd think one of the reasons the brazilian HG's get hotter is because of their large flat metal surface that your hands are coming in contact with compared to the 4 rail design which has less contact area with your skin.

    What do you think of the IC's vs the rubber ladder type covers from Magpul that only cover the slots and otherwise leave the metal exposed to still act as a heat sink? I have those on my rifle now and am just wondering about how much advantage I'd get with the IC's.

    These are what I'm talking about.

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    I find the ICs to be the perfect balance between heat barrier, breathability, and not adding too much bulk. I use the ladders like you pictured on portions of the rail where my hand doesn't normally fall, that way the rail is protected, my body is partly shielded from the heat and sharp edges, and if I do have to put my hand there I get some amount of insulation.

    The DD I'd buy today if I was shopping... hell the AR from any maker I'd buy right now if I was buying, would be this one.

    https://danieldefense.com/rifles/dan...ine-v5-lw.html

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    This advice makes more sence than anything ive heard today. Follow this guys advice, OP, you will not regret it.
    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    I find the ICs to be the perfect balance between heat barrier, breathability, and not adding too much bulk. I use the ladders like you pictured on portions of the rail where my hand doesn't normally fall, that way the rail is protected, my body is partly shielded from the heat and sharp edges, and if I do have to put my hand there I get some amount of insulation.

    The DD I'd buy today if I was shopping... hell the AR from any maker I'd buy right now if I was buying, would be this one.

    https://danieldefense.com/rifles/dan...ine-v5-lw.html
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    How mine is setup. Yeah, I can pop that short ladder off in front of the front sight on top and add an X300 if I want to, but on this gun I rarely need to. The front sight is set back more because of where my hand falls and where my thumb sits.





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    Alright, thanks for the advice everyone. DD V5 LW ordered.

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    I've got a v5 and a v7,I like both, but I think you made the right decision. You'll be happy with it

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    How do standard plastic handguards fair under heavy firing?

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