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    Quote Originally Posted by blackgt85 View Post
    There are Colt's without the dustcover and forward assist? Which model is this? I have not seen a Colt without those 2 things. Can you provide me a link?

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    There is a reason Colt does not make bargain rifles without dust covers.

    Colt guns are made to the same standards as the guns made for the DOD contract. This is easy for them as they actually possess the TDP explaining how this is to be done.

    Just because a gun has the same silhouette as a properly built AR15, doesn't mean it's built to the same category.

    The S&W Sport is a good rifle, for what it is. If I had to chose between a Century Arms WASAR AK and a M&P Sport, I'd go with the Sport. Both are about the same price in my market area.

    The S&W M&P15A would be my first choice of guns if I were not choosing from the what some here would call tier 1 guns (Colt, BCM, DD). It's a great recreational gun that could be pressed into hard usage service.

    But if choosing between the M&P Sport and the M&P15A, go with the 15A.

    Do a search for pricing on a Colt 6920 or a 6720. The current real world pricing difference between the S&W and the Colt can be less than $100. For a gun that could be a lifetime investment, buy quality and buy once.

    With the limited price difference, I just can't buy into the concept of buying a "starter gun" with the intent of upgrading down the road. Buy a gun with sufficient quality that you can grow into the gun, not out grow the gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    So now that we have that established. If you are setting aside xxx amount for purchase of a rifle, then you are going about it the wrong way. Wait a little longer and purchase a good AR. That means if it costs more then wait until you have the money.

    Do not skimp out and purchase the S&W. Get one of the brands that has been recommended already.
    This is great advice ^^. With the M&P15A being around $900, it is DEFINITELY worth it to spend a tiny bit extra and get a Colt, BCM, or DD for around that price.

    It will be well worth the extra $100, and you won't regret it in the long run.

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    The only sw AR i would get is the m&p 15 vtac which i own but I have it as a back up to my back up a used Colt 6721which is my back up to my 6920 but in all seriousness for your first AR get a Colt or BCM LMT id go with Colt because
    Im biased and its proven reliability, and its a better deal

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beat Trash View Post
    There is a reason Colt does not make bargain rifles without dust covers.

    Colt guns are made to the same standards as the guns made for the DOD contract. This is easy for them as they actually possess the TDP explaining how this is to be done.

    Just because a gun has the same silhouette as a properly built AR15, doesn't mean it's built to the same category.

    The S&W Sport is a good rifle, for what it is. If I had to chose between a Century Arms WASAR AK and a M&P Sport, I'd go with the Sport. Both are about the same price in my market area.

    The S&W M&P15A would be my first choice of guns if I were not choosing from the what some here would call tier 1 guns (Colt, BCM, DD). It's a great recreational gun that could be pressed into hard usage service.

    But if choosing between the M&P Sport and the M&P15A, go with the 15A.

    Do a search for pricing on a Colt 6920 or a 6720. The current real world pricing difference between the S&W and the Colt can be less than $100. For a gun that could be a lifetime investment, buy quality and buy once.

    With the limited price difference, I just can't buy into the concept of buying a "starter gun" with the intent of upgrading down the road. Buy a gun with sufficient quality that you can grow into the gun, not out grow the gun.
    I can't tell you how valuable this advice right here is. Drop a few bucks from the rest of the budget and add it to the AR budget. Dont worry about extras until you have a quality rifle. The next things on your list should be a few mags, some ammo and maybe some kind of light and a sling if you want one..... every thing else can wait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MegademiC View Post
    I'm also going to suggest a handgun first if you dont have one since chances are a pistol and ccw will save yourself more than a rifle. Also, handguns are harder to shoot well and take more time/money.
    What the hell kind of handgun are you shooting that is more expenisive than an AR, including ammo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggity View Post
    What the hell kind of handgun are you shooting that is more expenisive than an AR, including ammo?
    a wilson 1911 could do it.

    $2K gun
    $50 mags
    45acp ammo is almost double 223
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggity View Post
    What the hell kind of handgun are you shooting that is more expenisive than an AR, including ammo?
    I agree that getting the pistol to a high level of proficiency requires a greater investment than does the carbine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glockeyed View Post
    a wilson 1911 could do it.

    $2K gun
    $50 mags
    45acp ammo is almost double 223
    Since when did Wilsons cost $2K?? My last Wilson was $3,200! I think a bare bones CQB starts at $2,999 now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B Cart View Post
    This is great advice ^^. With the M&P15A being around $900, it is DEFINITELY worth it to spend a tiny bit extra and get a Colt, BCM, or DD for around that price.

    It will be well worth the extra $100, and you won't regret it in the long run.
    Great advice.

    My local gunshop sells the Colt 6920 for $1072.00 FWIW. NIB, in stock and ready to ship.
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