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    uhh, well, i haven't really solved that problem yet in a practical way. just for "range" shooting, i can hang an IR (or regular) cyalume stick that i can see to point the range finder.

    i use a leupold mk 4 compact spotter which is 12-40x60. and my PVS-27's max magnification is 12x. So they just BARELY overlap. i plan to get (eventually) a badger mount that allows you to mount the clip on in front of it. it's ridiculously expensive though, so i haven't purchased it yet. will post pics when i do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taliv View Post
    uhh, well, i haven't really solved that problem yet in a practical way. just for "range" shooting, i can hang an IR (or regular) cyalume stick that i can see to point the range finder.

    i use a leupold mk 4 compact spotter which is 12-40x60. and my PVS-27's max magnification is 12x. So they just BARELY overlap. i plan to get (eventually) a badger mount that allows you to mount the clip on in front of it. it's ridiculously expensive though, so i haven't purchased it yet. will post pics when i do.
    Consider the APO SSAR as well as the Badger if all you're looking to do is mount the clip-on. Low weight/smaller overall footprint.

    I'm picking up a CNVD-LR in a couple months and will be going with the SSAR and adding a TIM-17 if I need to clip stuff onto the spotter. Keep in mind this is all based on the idea that the cost will be marginally comparable to the Badger.

    ETA: Mine will eventually look like this, but the PLRF will be lower since I'm not using a riser to mount a PEQ-15.

    Last edited by JohnnyC; 07-06-12 at 03:34.
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    johnnyc, yeah i was just about to buy a CNVD-LR too. maybe a couple months now. Ashbury stuff is absurdly priced. I think that mount below will cost you 2x as much as badger, just for the SSAR and TIM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taliv View Post
    uhh, well, i haven't really solved that problem yet in a practical way. just for "range" shooting, i can hang an IR (or regular) cyalume stick that i can see to point the range finder.

    i use a leupold mk 4 compact spotter which is 12-40x60. and my PVS-27's max magnification is 12x. So they just BARELY overlap. i plan to get (eventually) a badger mount that allows you to mount the clip on in front of it. it's ridiculously expensive though, so i haven't purchased it yet. will post pics when i do.
    Thanks for the reply. I am in the market for a spotter right now and am likely going to go with the leupold, just trying to decide if it would be worth it to couple it with NV (PVS14).

    ETA: Like Johnny I was planning to use the TIM and mount my PLRF to the top of it.
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    the mounts to put 14s behind the ocular lens are not prohibitively expensive. but i've been told by numerous people that sell them "you can do it, but you won't be happy with it". i'm a big fan of learning from the mistakes of others.

    if you guys get the ashbury stuff or find a good NV-spotting setup, definitely post a review.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taliv View Post
    the mounts to put 14s behind the ocular lens are not prohibitively expensive. but i've been told by numerous people that sell them "you can do it, but you won't be happy with it". i'm a big fan of learning from the mistakes of others.

    if you guys get the ashbury stuff or find a good NV-spotting setup, definitely post a review.
    This really stems from the light loss you get going through all of the optics of the spotter then the PVS-14. If you're not on a two-way range, you can use lots of supplemental IR to make up for some of it.

    The problem is that either way you go you're making a compromise. You can use the full magnification range with the Badger SNAP, but you need lots of supplemental IR. You can use a CNVD-LR or PVS-27 out front, but are limited in your magnification ability. It's a mixed bag, but the SNAP is cheap enough that if you've already got a PVS-14, it's worth messing around with just for funzies.
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    I appreciate the thoughts guys! I do already have a pvs14 so I will give it a try and see how it works when I get the spotter/rangefinder setup. Also I am just a regular guy shooting steel and having a good time so if it takes some extra IR illumination no biggie.

    I look forward to seeing how your setup turns out Johnny and thanks Taliv for the good thread and info!

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    Fun stuff, isn't it? Though I'm intimately familiar with all this equipment (thanks taxpayers), I can only imagine how great it must be to personally own it.

    I don't know just how deep your pockets go, but if price is no object, consider the following:

    IMO, the ultimate setup for low-light, semi-passive long range target interdiction is a Long Range Thermal Video Imaging System (LRTV) or similar, combined with clip-on NV. Your spotter / observer ID's the target with the Thermal Viewer, then blips the IR Laser on target. Even though the shooter can't see shit, especially not the target, since there's no active IR illumination besides the focused laser, he may engage the target simply by aiming at the spotter's IR marker (which is relatively low profile compared to an IR flood).

    There's just something incredibly cool about engaging a target you can't even see. Try it if you ever get a chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a0cake View Post
    Fun stuff, isn't it? Though I'm intimately familiar with all this equipment (thanks taxpayers), I can only imagine how great it must be to personally own it.

    I don't know just how deep your pockets go, but if price is no object, consider the following:

    IMO, the ultimate setup for low-light, semi-passive long range target interdiction is a Long Range Thermal Video Imaging System (LRTV) or similar, combined with clip-on NV. Your spotter / observer ID's the target with the Thermal Viewer, then blips the IR Laser on target. Even though the shooter can't see shit, especially not the target, since there's no active IR illumination besides the focused laser, he may engage the target simply by aiming at the spotter's IR marker (which is relatively low profile compared to an IR flood).

    There's just something incredibly cool about engaging a target you can't even see. Try it if you ever get a chance.
    I want! Is this basically what the MELIOS became?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyC View Post
    I want! Is this basically what the MELIOS became?
    Here's a rundown:

    http://www.vectronix.us/userupload/2495_2007_LRTV.pdf

    I have no idea if it's available for civilian purchase, though in hindsight I suspect not. Unit price, if I recall correctly, is somewhere around $20,000.
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