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    Quote Originally Posted by hmbleservant View Post
    Those are definetly on the list of the ones I'm looking at at this point. Let me ask you something thoug. I am also looking at something like this

    http://www.bravocompanymfg.com/speci...m_recce_16.php

    Are there any advantages/disadvantages to this over the two you listed (accuracy, reliablility, etc)
    Its the same thing, there is no difference except the rail and grip.

    If you shoot it, you will figure out what you want LATER, other than getting something you dont need.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hmac View Post
    Google the Firearms Owners Protection Act, specifically look at the Hughes amendment. Citizens can't own a fully automatic weapon unless it was registered prior to May 19, 1986. You can try to buy one -- they're around -- but they're typically running around $12,000 - $22,000.
    Ok, but my understanding is that you can legally own a full auto. It would be considered a class 3 weapon and it would have to be properly registered and you would have to quallify (jump through the hoops) same as a suppressor or a short barrelled rifle.

    My question is can you physically/mechanically convert these AR-15 platforms back into fully automatic if you ever wanted to get it registered as a fully auto? Is there a legal route to doing this.

    I don't mean to sound like I know what I'm talking about because I can assure you I don't, but there is something missing from your explaination...or I'm just not understanding?

    Thanks for tollerating my ignorance!

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    Short answer is no.
    You can not take a semi auto manufactured after 1986 and convert it to full auto.
    You can, however, purchase a registered drop in auto sear ,(RDIAS), for the price of a Hyundai.
    Quote Originally Posted by scottryan View Post
    Anybody that owns or sells pistol versions of assault rifles is a bottom feeder, irregardless of the ban status of certain ammunition.

    They are illigetimate weapons that have no real purpose other than to attract retards to the gun community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hmbleservant View Post
    Ok, but my understanding is that you can legally own a full auto. It would be considered a class 3 weapon and it would have to be properly registered and you would have to quallify (jump through the hoops) same as a suppressor or a short barrelled rifle.

    My question is can you physically/mechanically convert these AR-15 platforms back into fully automatic if you ever wanted to get it registered as a fully auto? Is there a legal route to doing this.

    I don't mean to sound like I know what I'm talking about because I can assure you I don't, but there is something missing from your explaination...or I'm just not understanding?

    Thanks for tollerating my ignorance!
    You CAN own a full auto, as long as it was made before May 19, 1986 and providing that they're not illegal in the state where you live. Then, it would indeed be considered a class 3 weapon and it would have to be properly registered and you would have to quallify (jump through the hoops) same as a suppressor or a short barrelled rifle. You cannot own a fully automatic firearms that was made/registered AFTER May 19, 1986.

    It is mechanically possible to retrofit some AR-15's to be fully auto by buying a registered and transferable drop-in auto-sear (will also be pre-1986). They're currently running about $12,000 if you can find one.

    Bottom line, it is simply illegal (against Federal law) for you to own a fully automatic firearm made after May 19, 1986. The exceptions would be if you had a Class III FFL with SOT (in which case you could acquire fully automatic firearms for "demonstration" purposes). The other would be for you to be a member of a state of federal law enforcement agency and have THEM buy you one. Of course, it would belong to the agency, not you.

    Note that, additionally, civilian ownership of ANY fully automatic firearms is illegal in some states. So before you begin trying to acquire the antique parts necessary to convert your new rifle, better make sure that your state hasn't ruled machine guns illegal. They're illegal for individuals to own in DE, DC, HI, NY, WA, so if you live in one of those states, there is NO way for you to own a full-auto firearm. If you live in CA, IL, IO, KS, MI, NJ, RI, SC, you can own a full auto ONLY if you are a Class 3 (FFL/SOT) dealer.

    I wouldn't buy an AR-15 with any thought whatsoever of ever making it full-auto....that will just never happen. I think you can take that criterion out of your decision matrix.



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    Quote Originally Posted by BCmJUnKie View Post
    I think honestly you should go with something like this and SHOOT the hell out of it.

    http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-M...pany-s/142.htm

    Or this

    http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-M...ight-s/150.htm
    Apparently you haven't heard. Bravo Company isn't taking orders. Neither of those rifles you listed are available for the OP to purchase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightvisionary View Post
    Apparently you haven't heard. Bravo Company isn't taking orders. Neither of those rifles you listed are available for the OP to purchase.
    You can order both a complete lower and complete upper from G&R and put the 2 halves together.
    G&R does have these items in stock.
    Quote Originally Posted by scottryan View Post
    Anybody that owns or sells pistol versions of assault rifles is a bottom feeder, irregardless of the ban status of certain ammunition.

    They are illigetimate weapons that have no real purpose other than to attract retards to the gun community.

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    Start here
    http://clydearmory.com/colt-ar6720.html

    add this
    http://www.laruetactical.com/aimpoin...m4-mount-combo

    get one of these (the first one, for $40)
    http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=2...ERATIONS-SLING

    Get 11 of these
    http://www.44mag.com/product/nhmtg_m...follower/nhmtg

    and get 1k rounds of this
    http://palmettostatearmory.com/index...-55gr-fmj.html

    get two of these
    http://www.skdtac.com/Ready-Tactical...-p/rdt.110.htm

    then find a way to sign up for this (second one down, Carbine 1)
    http://www.guntactics.com/Rifle.htm


    Stop obsessing over minutiae and get busy shooting. You are suffering from analysis paralysis, which is common for the first-time buyer that thinks he's going to get it right on his first try. You're not. Anyone that tells you they did is a liar or hasn't shot enough yet. Whatever loss you wind up taking on selling off parts from the above that you don't like will be money well spent for the lessons learned and knowledge gained.
    Last edited by rob_s; 06-22-12 at 06:32.

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    Rob has some good advice. It is highly unlikely that, being unfamiliar with the AR15, you will choose the perfect rifle first time, and frankly I think it's pointless to even try. You will be able to re-sell a Colt 6720 with a pretty minimal loss.

    Bear in mind that in addition to the rifle, you'll be spending around $1000 in magazines, optics, sling, light, and other miscellaneous stuff like a case, cleaning equipment etc. And that doesn't take into account the $350 for your first 1000 rounds of ammo and the $300-$500 you'll pay for a comprehensive level 1 training course (plus the 300-500 rounds of ammo that most such courses require). You've specified that your rifle will be primarily for fighting, home defense, self defense. That pretty much moves such a training course way up on your priorities list.

    I'm not sure that I agree with the T-1/H-1 recommendation - you might find a 30mm tube easier to manage and you will certainly find an Aimpoint PRO to be cheaper. Compared to the H-1 plus mount, about $200 cheaper.

    Analysis/paralysis. I like that. An apt description of the AR15 buying process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    Start here
    http://clydearmory.com/colt-ar6720.html

    add this
    http://www.laruetactical.com/aimpoin...m4-mount-combo

    get one of these (the first one, for $40)
    http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=2...ERATIONS-SLING

    Get 11 of these
    http://www.44mag.com/product/nhmtg_m...follower/nhmtg

    and get 1k rounds of this
    http://palmettostatearmory.com/index...-55gr-fmj.html

    get two of these
    http://www.skdtac.com/Ready-Tactical...-p/rdt.110.htm

    then find a way to sign up for this (second one down, Carbine 1)
    http://www.guntactics.com/Rifle.htm


    Stop obsessing over minutiae and get busy shooting. You are suffering from analysis paralysis, which is common for the first-time buyer that thinks he's going to get it right on his first try. You're not. Anyone that tells you they did is a liar or hasn't shot enough yet. Whatever loss you wind up taking on selling off parts from the above that you don't like will be money well spent for the lessons learned and knowledge gained.
    I agree with Rob on all his points, except where to get your Colt 6720
    DSG has them cheaper.
    http://dsgarms.com/ProductInfo/COAR6720.aspx

    And the H-1 is slightly cheaper if you order from Grant, unless you want all that swag that Larue gives you.
    http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin...ey=APH1LTMICRO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightvisionary View Post
    Apparently you haven't heard. Bravo Company isn't taking orders. Neither of those rifles you listed are available for the OP to purchase.
    We have SOME BCM rifles in stock right now for those interested.





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