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    Quote Originally Posted by Clem View Post
    not the same guy as the nose is different. But likely the same unit. Perhaps it is an NG "kewl guy" thing?

    I missed that thread as I have been away from the forums for a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightvisionary View Post
    Why? I understand the need for standardization to keep sub par equipment from being used but it's not like he is committing war crimes by throwing on a different upper.
    It's an unauthorized modification to an issued weapon.
    This has been covered many times in many places, and the same google results will be there whether you or I or anyone else does the search.
    Please trust me, I'm not talking out of my ass or making shit up.
    It is possible to get exemptions/deviations, but it requires a pretty high level signature. Even the tippy tip of the spear guys have issues with taking non-issued stuff over, and the ones that seem to spend more time doing actual work than bitching about gear don't really seem to care.
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    Maybe not a war crime, but a violation of ART 92 at the very least.

    Seriously doubt that its on an A1 lower, also...
    Last edited by crh428; 06-22-12 at 15:10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Bert View Post
    not the same guy as the nose is different. But likely the same unit. Perhaps it is an NG "kewl guy" thing?

    I missed that thread as I have been away from the forums for a bit.
    The number written in white on his mag is the same in both pics.
    N9889. Don't know if that means anything.

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    Looks like the same guy. Almost identical setup in gear, clothing and rifle, although the sunglasses are not the same as the ones in the other thread (possibly why the nose appears different).

    Also the markings on his magazine appear to be the same.

    All of our new Colt M4A1s have the digital "barcode" sticker on the right side of the magwell so I believe that is an A1 lower.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    It's an unauthorized modification to an issued weapon.
    This has been covered many times in many places, and the same google results will be there whether you or I or anyone else does the search.
    Please trust me, I'm not talking out of my ass or making shit up.
    It is possible to get exemptions/deviations, but it requires a pretty high level signature. Even the tippy tip of the spear guys have issues with taking non-issued stuff over, and the ones that seem to spend more time doing actual work than bitching about gear don't really seem to care.

    yep yep
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Bert View Post
    A photo taken around June 12th or so this year, shows a National Guard soldier in Afghanistan running what is clearly his own upper (just throw your own SBR upper on your unit's property sheet) on his Select Fire Army issued M4A1 lower.

    Notice that it is a gas piston upper. I will give you one hint though. It is running an FN Barrel with M249 rifling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vicious_cb View Post
    How do you know that upper isnt substandard? Anyway whats the point? If some company wants to do a 'real world test' that isnt the way to go about it. Chances are that upper is going to be carried around alot and fired very little.
    I don't know that upper isn't substandard, I know anything about the upper but that wasn't my point. My question was why should a trooper be hung from a yardarm for putting another upper atop his rifle provided it did not degrade from unit effectiveness.

    Let's say the upper was from a Colt monolithic 6940. What difference would it make?

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    Maybe he's a PMC? I cant see any unit marking and his gear seems to be non standard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightvisionary View Post
    I don't know that upper isn't substandard, I know anything about the upper but that wasn't my point. My question was why should a trooper be hung from a yardarm for putting another upper atop his rifle provided it did not degrade from unit effectiveness.

    Let's say the upper was from a Colt monolithic 6940. What difference would it make?
    It is a weapon system component that has not been requested, tested, adopted, or supported. It very well may be superior, but that is determined by the official procurement system, not by perceived needs or marketing. There are several instances of people's alteration of their issued weapons causing serious failures. It's a big enough issue when it comes to boots, gear, and gloves, bringing in unnecessary complications with small arms in a "combat" environment doesn't need a statement from higher to spell out the littany of issues that can arise.
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