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    The Chicago policy has a list of brands that are approved and certain features that are prohibited-- such as trigger groups other than original configuration and compensators.

    It is still hard to believe for some that Chicago put rifles on the street at all. CPD's rep for a certain resistance to new ideas is fast fading or just plain gone as young go-getters work their way into the top echelon. Top management was frustrated five years ago by a summer that got off to a very violent start, and the rifle program was born, Ceasarian.

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    My previous agency, Melbourne (FL) Police Department allowed and still allows personally owned patrol rifles. My current agency, Port Canaveral (FL) PD does not, rifles are the issued Bushhampsters. I like personal guns but they do come at a certain cost to the owner. Namely, in that if you are involved in a shooting with your rifle, it could be, depending on the circumstances, tied up in evidence for anywhere from a few days, a few weeks, a few months or a few years.

    The local Sheriffs office which has about 500 deputies and has previously allowed personal rifles, has recently recinded that policy for the very reason I described above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ned Christiansen View Post
    It is still hard to believe for some that Chicago put rifles on the street at all. CPD's rep for a certain resistance to new ideas is fast fading or just plain gone as young go-getters work their way into the top echelon. Top management was frustrated five years ago by a summer that got off to a very violent start, and the rifle program was born, Ceasarian.
    Most often, the people clawing their way to the top of a major police organization, are very liberal minded. Most never wanted to be true cops to start with.

    The fact that Chicago has had a higher homicide rate, than our troops have had inflicted on them in Afghanistan, isn't going to change their mindset much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KCBRUIN View Post
    I'll probably get a no though, because "uniformity" is more important than safety.
    Ah the uniformity stance. Sounds just like my previous agency. We were required to wear the same duty holster because of the uniformity stance.

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    Just remember that if you have to fire it, be prepared to be without it for a long time. If my agency issued "substandard" AR's, I would try to get the green light to upgrade the BCG, LPK, etc. before using my own.
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    Ask your CLEO/admin to cite specific cases and examples which have created adverse "liability" in I/O weapons programs. There are more which create all kinds of fun, too. After the blank stares and "ummm"s, they will cite potential issues, some valid, which are easily mitigated.

    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    Let me say this. You have more liability by not conducting proper maintenance and documenting that maintenance. In addition to any training that may or may not take place. Those two items will probably serve you better.
    Exactly. Establish defensible approval/selection and maintenance criteria. Conduct initial, scheduled, and unscheduled inspections against that criteria.

    Ownership of the gun does not inherently increase agency "liability." It's all the other stuff along the way.

    Quote Originally Posted by NoveskeFan View Post
    Just remember that if you have to fire it, be prepared to be without it for a long time. If my agency issued "substandard" AR's, I would try to get the green light to upgrade the BCG, LPK, etc. before using my own.
    Preferences vary, but here's food for thought: Personally owned weapons are not subject to storage, use, or travel restrictions. Within specified maintainance and configuration parameters, you can do anything with them that you wish. If subjected to unfair discipline or relief from duty, you have to surrender nothing. The statistical likelihood of an OIS in your career, and a long-gun invovled OIS at that, is so small that the matter of evidence holds is a non-issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by darr3239 View Post
    Most often, the people clawing their way to the top of a major police organization, are very liberal minded. Most never wanted to be true cops to start with.
    Sad but true in so very many departments.
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    Los Angeles PD allows personally owned rifles and optics from a list of Colt, S&W, and BM. Most Aimpoints, Eotech, ACOG, and Trijicon 1-4x are authorized optics.

    LAPD has allowed personally owned pistols for decades and the inherent liability issues are probably minimal at best given the probability of an OIS and more importantly all the other easier ways to get in trouble if you get in one!

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    Waterbury, VT PD allows personal rifles we also have department weapons.
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    My agency doesn't allow personally owned rifles or sidearms, unfortunately. For off duty or back up guns we have to qualify once a year and use department supplied ammo (which is generally good stuff except when the guy issuing it gives you training ammo instead of duty/HP ammo because its cheaper). There is an "inspection" but that is just to see if it is maintained and/or has an obvious defects. There are plenty of Taurus/Keltec/AMT/etc that have been approved and then the officer comes to me later with some problem with it that came up during qualification. As far as rifles go - we have Bushmasters so the selection process couldn't have been that intense.

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