Fill me in on this grip technique

[WARPIG [USMC]]

Not infrequently used shooting offhand in high power competition too.

Yeah but I was curious as to what real-world application it suited, being as it's being taught to SF guys. The supported position makes sense.

[NCPatrolAR]

Kyle Lamb mentions this hand position in one of his DVDs as an option that can be used while shooting close targets as you move from one supported position to another. Essentially, the hand position is a left-over from the supported position that you just departed and the targets engaged while moving are close enough to hit without establishing a conventional front grip. I guess the grip may or may not be useful at the new piece of cover, but at that point you'll be behind cover and can choose an appropriate position.

I'll look up what video he shows it in and will post it up later.

It's in his video on the Highsmith drill

[doitlive]

Good memory, ncpatrol.

[Failure2Stop]

Other posters got the general jist of what I use it for.
As I said though, a few guys I know (very strong shooters might I add)played around with the C Grip for more than just barricades and approach/exit from barricades (the high-power application is vastly different).

Before I discuss the issues with the C Grip, I would like to point out a few things about the front hand with a conventional grip:

1- The front hand does not HAVE to apply rearward pressure. It can be neutral, or can even push forward.

2- The rearward pressure grip has some advantages when it comes to tactical applications (specifically, gear interaction), but nothing that can't be achieved with the others.

The primary disadvantages that I saw with the C Grip as a baseline grip:

1- Elbows tend to want to flare out

2- Limited forward arm extension (lessened impact with short HGs/lots of stuff mounted to rails)

3- Reduced muzzle strike capability

4- Greater patrol fatigue

5- Reduced performance in the kneeling/sitting/prone unless grip is changed.

6- I personally fiund the presentation to be slower and less precise, though that could easily be attributable to far more repetitions being done with a conventional grip.

[Raven Armament]

Seems to me there would be more strength/solid platform with four fingers underneath than a single thumb underneath.

Only time I've seen that grip is when the forend is supported and the palm of the hand is against the support cradling the weapon (sort of the way a billiard player holds the cue).

[Surf]

For myself I will use this type of grip when firing from a supported position on a barricade, which actually stemmed from a technique used in my bolt gun use, but even for a carbine this is generally for stability mostly at longer distances as I will not tend to crowd my cover up close. I will also say that I rarely if ever find a need to break cover and address other targets while on the move with that amount of exigency that I find myself with no time to be able to change my grip. That would pretty much mean I ****ed up and I left my area of cover at the wrong time. Not saying that it can't happen but I have only found it to be more of a situation brought on by drills that might be considered more competition based. Don't get me wrong as I like drills even competition based drills as much can be gleaned from them and I apply much that I learn from competition type drills to my own technique but I am just speaking about my own experiences. I am also definitely not saying that it may not be a good skill to be able to have "just in case" as I am a proponent of being highly proficient at many things, but I am saying that it would be pretty low on my list of things to train if time is short. Others would probably not disagree so I am not saying anything earth shattering. However if time and resources are on your side to train, go for it!

[WARPIG [USMC]]

Great input, gentleman! Much appreciated! When I first saw the picture I was thinking, "WTF is this guy doing?" Not in a negative way, just really curious to see what type of grip would be used for in a combat situation. I like to expand my knowledge as much as possible - I knew M4C would have the answer.

[jenrick]

One additional point, is that the forearm of the support arm should be pushed against the magazine (when a a magazine is inserted), this gives you an additional point of contact with the rifle. I find a lot of utility in this grip when shooting from any position other then offhand, it allows you to lock the weapon in very nicely while staying very compact.

-Jenrick

[Endur]

Well I just learned something new. I have never seen this before not that I have any experience outside of standard infantry. Seems like it would be more effective than thumb under the rail and palm up against barrier/barricade/wall etc. like I was taught.

Off subject but I am liking the camo on that fast helmet.

[Failure2Stop]

One additional point, is that the forearm of the support arm should be pushed against the magazine (when a a magazine is inserted), this gives you an additional point of contact with the rifle. I find a lot of utility in this grip when shooting from any position other then offhand, it allows you to lock the weapon in very nicely while staying very compact.

-Jenrick

I think that we are talking about different positions if you are making contact with the magazine with your forearm.

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