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    Quote Originally Posted by Arctic1 View Post
    I am sure the proponents of regular cleaning and maintenance do not advocate a white glove regime. I sure don't.

    The point is, however, that to properly inspect weapons parts, the gun must be clean. Also, there is a lot more than just carbon build up or soot than can get into a weapons system, that can cause fouling or increase wear.

    And lastly, PCC's and PCI's aren't only done pre-anything. It is a continous process, making sure the equipment is operational at all times. In my opinion, if you adopt an attitude that weapons do not need to be cleaned, only lubed, it will be more difficult to ensure that guys take care of their guns. Even though it is only lubing it.

    Lastly, has anyone ever done a comparative study between two identical guns where one system is regularly cleaned and lubed, while the other is never cleaned, only lubed, to see if there is a noticeable difference in parts wear?

    I have seen many stupid things, like attaching a cleaning rod with a chamber brush to an electrical drill, and cleaning the chamber using that combination, to people using steel wool, scraping parts with knives/screwdrivers etc.

    There is a middle ground between white glove cleaning and stupid cleaning, whilst being more thorough than just adding lube.
    100% agreed; these are exactly the lessons I'm hoping we've learned. Lube is all well and good but sooner or later enough organic crap (sand and soil) will find its way into a weapon and do a lot more mischief than a bunch of carbon will. Let's not put too much faith in our lubricants.

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    So if you were to write the new guidance on cleaning, what would you change?

    I am in the camp of those who believe in proper cleaning and more importantly inspection. This conversation goes on and on but I haven't really heard how properly cleaning a weapon is bad or causes damage?

    I will also throw out there that IMO, the issued CLP is less than satisfactory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redhat View Post
    So if you were to write the new guidance on cleaning, what would you change?

    I am in the camp of those who believe in proper cleaning and more importantly inspection. This conversation goes on and on but I haven't really heard how properly cleaning a weapon is bad or causes damage?
    I think a work rifle should be maintained and lubed properly, but not white glove. I don't think it matters on a trainer or dirt shooter though and I wouldn't bother with much more than a wipe down of the internals now and then.
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    My time is money and I have better things to do rather than clean when I don't have to.

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    I will also throw out there that IMO, the issued CLP is less than satisfactory.
    I have for the most part used BreakFree CLP, and personally I don't see what the big deal is. It has worked fine for me in a variety of environments (arctic, desert, subtemperate forest).

    I have also used it on a variety of systems; G3, HK416, Glock 17, MG-3, FN-MAG, Minimi, Browning M2 HMG with no issues.

    I have tried Slip2000 as well, and I can't say I have experienced a noticeable difference. Not that I have done tests to find out though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arctic1 View Post
    I have for the most part used BreakFree CLP, and personally I don't see what the big deal is. It has worked fine for me in a variety of environments (arctic, desert, subtemperate forest).

    I have also used it on a variety of systems; G3, HK416, Glock 17, MG-3, FN-MAG, Minimi, Browning M2 HMG with no issues.

    I have tried Slip2000 as well, and I can't say I have experienced a noticeable difference. Not that I have done tests to find out though.
    The problem I have with it is not lubrication but its cleaning ability...or lack thereof. I believe a solvent does it quicker, easier and better.
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    Okay, now I'm tracking. I haven't used proper solvents for that, so that might well be.

    The only solvent approved for use in our system is a copper fouling solvent for the Barrett M82 (not KG12).

    ETA: It's this one:

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    Ive never been in the military, but I have shot in some sandy places that caused my rifle to have plenty of sand at the end of the day.

    My cleaning has and will always be to basically just wipe down the interior of the rifle with a rag, same for the bolt, wipe it down really good.

    for the inside of the carrier I use the Cat-M4 with a 2"x2" patch on it and swab the inside of the carrier real good.

    Then I run a bore snake 4 times through the bore.

    For the chamber I use the chamber brush and twirl it for about 20 seconds and then dry out the chamber.

    Finally I reassemble and Relube, this has always worked for me.

    Arctic1, I doubt this applies to you since ya'll run the HK416, but from my experiences CLP has a very very low flash point. From what I have seen 6-7 mags of ammo and it will be mostly gone from the BCG. Slip2000EWL has lasted me 1,000 rounds in 1.5hrs before without needing to be relubed. I would have had to apply CLP 2-3 times during that time. CLP is also pretty hazardous to your health if you read the MSDS.
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    How does Gunzilla compare to Break Free CLP, in terms of staying put in the BCG when subjected to the heat of sustained fire? Is it basically equivalent? Any truth to the claims of being better than Break Free in sandy environments? Also, is the military actually using it like they claim?

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    While on the subject and just out of curiosity, does anyone have any experiences with these yet?

    C.A.T. M-4


    In regards to the original post, in my limited experience (but as posted by several others as well) I found keeping my bolt assembly lubed helped keep a majority of the carbon off and what did stick was easily removed.
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