Protein supplements for weight training--yea or nay?

[Double3]

Am I recommending cutting out vegetables? I am not, but let's not act like Olympic sprinters, NFL players, and the World's Strongest Man competitors could be vegans and compete.

When you talk about professional athletes your talking about people who have crazy freak genetics. Especially the top performers. They could eat very little and still be bigger, faster, and stronger than most.

I eat in a 4 hour period everyday. I do not eat all day. Wake up and have a couple cups of black coffee and that is it. I'm stronger than I've ever been and feel a lot better. In that 4 hour period I eat a ton of food though. Mostly in one meal then a couple hours later eat something else. The large meal will consist of lots of veggies and 1.5-2 lbs of meat and whatever carb. I'll tear up cookies, ice cream, and that kind of junk and I stay very lean.

Anyone ever fast here? Warrior diet or lean gains?

But there is no denying the fact that protein is very important. The more the better.

[Double3]

There are many ways to get to the same place.

It's not a one size fits all.

Find out what works for you. Lifting and diet isn't a sprint...It's a marathon. It takes years.

There is a bunch of "bro science" out there. Gotta wade through that crap.

[Smash]

When you talk about professional athletes your talking about people who have crazy freak genetics. Especially the top performers. They could eat very little and still be bigger, faster, and stronger than most.

Genetics play a part in some of the athletes.

Have you ever seen the difference in a high school athlete vs. a college athlete? One of my best friends was our offensive tackle in high school. He was 6'4 240. Got a full ride to a Big 12 school and put on 50lbs as a freshman. They had protein shake "fountains" in the weight room. Like the "icee fountains" at the movies. Was he genetically big? Yes. But he said he had never eaten so much in his life.

This is a second hand story but a fellow captain in the Marines went to school with Mario Williams in high school and said he wasn't impressively big. He graduated high school early went to college and was huge when he came back for prom. He didn't genetically change. I'm imagining he was put through a rigorous workout and had an enormous diet which allowed for a change. I believe that debunks genetics as a sole answer for top athletes.

[jstone]

When you talk about professional athletes your talking about people who have crazy freak genetics. Especially the top performers. They could eat very little and still be bigger, faster, and stronger than most.



I eat in a 4 hour period everyday. I do not eat all day. Wake up and have a couple cups of black coffee and that is it. I'm stronger than I've ever been and feel a lot better. In that 4 hour period I eat a ton of food though. Mostly in one meal then a couple hours later eat something else. The large meal will consist of lots of veggies and 1.5-2 lbs of meat and whatever carb. I'll tear up cookies, ice cream, and that kind of junk and I stay very lean.

Anyone ever fast here? Warrior diet or lean gains?

But there is no denying the fact that protein is very important. The more the better.

This is far from true. There are some bodybuilders who in highschool weighed 90lbs. If they had freak genetics they would naturally be big. Some pro athletes may have freak genetics but most get there due to hard work. The will to be bigger, faster, and stronger than the rest.

This is far from a good way to eat if wanting to get strong. If you are only eating for four hours a day regardless of how strong you are. Your body in in a stage of catabolism most of the day if your only eating during four hours a day. You want to be anabolic and that requires a constant intake of food or nutritional supplements. Just because there is a book for a diet does not mean it is valid science. Anybody can write a book with little to no evidence of its validity. Know top level athletes regardless of discipline can eat like that and be at the top. You would be much better off eating every four hours smaller balanced meals with protein supplements if your not getting enough. The only part of your statement that is valid is the importance of protein. Eat more often. You will be much stronger if you maintain a proper anabolic state. You can not do that only eating four hours a day with out major supplements.

No diet that recommends eating for four hours a day should be implemented if you are trying to gain strength or size.

Fasting is fine for some but not anyone trying to put on size or strength. The lack of nutritional intake i.e. Protein leads to catabolism. The last thing you want for size or strength. If you do not understand catabolic and anabolic you should refrain from giving advice. Out of all the comments yours have the largest amount of your so.called bro science.

[Double3]

This is far from true. There are some bodybuilders who in highschool weighed 90lbs. If they had freak genetics they would naturally be big. Some pro athletes may have freak genetics but most get there due to hard work. The will to be bigger, faster, and stronger than the rest.

This is far from a good way to eat if wanting to get strong. If you are only eating for four hours a day regardless of how strong you are. Your body in in a stage of catabolism most of the day if your only eating during four hours a day. You want to be anabolic and that requires a constant intake of food or nutritional supplements. Just because there is a book for a diet does not mean it is valid science. Anybody can write a book with little to no evidence of its validity. Know top level athletes regardless of discipline can eat like that and be at the top. You would be much better off eating every four hours smaller balanced meals with protein supplements if your not getting enough. The only part of your statement that is valid is the importance of protein. Eat more often. You will be much stronger if you maintain a proper anabolic state. You can not do that only eating four hours a day with out major supplements.

No diet that recommends eating for four hours a day should be implemented if you are trying to gain strength or size.

Fasting is fine for some but not anyone trying to put on size or strength. The lack of nutritional intake i.e. Protein leads to catabolism. The last thing you want for size or strength. If you do not understand catabolic and anabolic you should refrain from giving advice. Out of all the comments yours have the largest amount of your so.called bro science.

Oh man.

I believe I will stay away from talking on here. I'm not going to argue.

Dude I know that if you want to be as big as possible you have to eat. I was doing the same thing I am now except eating 3 small meals through the day of BCAAs, berries, and a small protein shake. I was bigger than I had ever been at a low bf level.

I could care less about being as big as possible anymore though but I'm still as big if not bigger than when I was eating all the time. I've eaten many different ways. All day everyday, weighed out/measured ever meal for a few years. I've done it all. I did not shrink when I started fasting.

Don't comment on that fasting not being optimal for strength when you have no idea what you are talking about except parroting stuff you have read. I am stronger than I have ever been and have been doing this for over 2 years. I lift fasted and have the best workouts. I know this goes against all the weight room science but do some research and try things out.

I know how the lifting forums are. Just like at the gym. You post a pic and are a big ripped dude and everyone listens to you like it is the gospel. We can compare pics if you would like. I'm not 250 @ 3% though.

[Double3]

The whole genetics thing...

Yes I understand that not all of them were big right from the get go but once they did things right they explode. That doesn't happen for normal people. What I'm getting at is don't always assume that what works for some will work for everyone.

[Double3]

Genetics play a part in some of the athletes.

Have you ever seen the difference in a high school athlete vs. a college athlete? One of my best friends was our offensive tackle in high school. He was 6'4 240. Got a full ride to a Big 12 school and put on 50lbs as a freshman. They had protein shake "fountains" in the weight room. Like the "icee fountains" at the movies. Was he genetically big? Yes. But he said he had never eaten so much in his life.

This is a second hand story but a fellow captain in the Marines went to school with Mario Williams in high school and said he wasn't impressively big. He graduated high school early went to college and was huge when he came back for prom. He didn't genetically change. I'm imagining he was put through a rigorous workout and had an enormous diet which allowed for a change. I believe that debunks genetics as a sole answer for top athletes.

Yes I've seen the difference. There is a huge difference.

Lots of college players are going to be higher tier on the genetic scale. I couldn't have done the same and been in the same situation. If that was true then everyone would be a pro. There are guys that have to bust their ass to get there and guys that just blow up when they start doing things right.

[jstone]

Oh man.

I believe I will stay away from talking on here. I'm not going to argue.

Dude I know that if you want to be as big as possible you have to eat. I was doing the same thing I am now except eating 3 small meals through the day of BCAAs, berries, and a small protein shake. I was bigger than I had ever been at a low bf level.

I could care less about being as big as possible anymore though but I'm still as big if not bigger than when I was eating all the time. I've eaten many different ways. All day everyday, weighed out/measured ever meal for a few years. I've done it all. I did not shrink when I started fasting.

Don't comment on that fasting not being optimal for strength when you have no idea what you are talking about except parroting stuff you have read. I am stronger than I have ever been and have been doing this for over 2 years. I lift fasted and have the best workouts. I know this goes against all the weight room science but do some research and try things out.

I know how the lifting forums are. Just like at the gym. You post a pic and are a big ripped dude and everyone listens to you like it is the gospel. We can compare pics if you would like. I'm not 250 @ 3% though.

Im not speaking from an uneducated point of view. How many nutrition classes do you have under your belt? What actual research have you done on fasting? Do you know what catabolism is?

It is plain and simple fasting is not conducive to muscle gain in any shape or form. I can actually guarantee you are in better shape then me at this time. I have not been able to lift for about 3 years due to back injury and degenerative disc disease. Which hopefully should be fixed to a point where i can resume training after the surgery i have scheduled later this month. Hopefully the last.

My entire educational focus has been on nutrition and kinesiology. You may be strong as an oxe. You might be one of the genetically superior, but the simple fact is being catabolic roughly 16 hours a day is not good for muscle growth. Since it is quite obvious you do not know what is going on in your body. When you eat only four hours a day your body will only be anabolic roughly 4-6 hours a day. That means you are catabolic roughly 18-20 hours a day. Your body is using your muscle as fuel (catabolic). You might think your talking to some uneducated gym rat who only reads muscle and fitness.

Fasting has shown some possible health benefits. I have not seen any definitive proof. Mainly just claims. The simple fact is that fasting is not conducive to strength gains or size gains. You will not find any educated individuals who work with strength athletes advocating fasting. Virtually all will recommend up to 6-8 small balanced meals a day with snacks thrown in to maintain an anabolic state in order to gain as much strength or size as necessary for athletic discipline. The macro nutrient break down of the meals will also vary dependent on discipline.

[Double3]

Im not speaking from an uneducated point of view. How many nutrition classes do you have under your belt? What actual research have you done on fasting? Do you know what catabolism is?

It is plain and simple fasting is not conducive to muscle gain in any shape or form. I can actually guarantee you are in better shape then me at this time. I have not been able to lift for about 3 years due to back injury and degenerative disc disease. Which hopefully should be fixed to a point where i can resume training after the surgery i have scheduled later this month. Hopefully the last.

My entire educational focus has been on nutrition and kinesiology. You may be strong as an oxe. You might be one of the genetically superior, but the simple fact is being catabolic roughly 16 hours a day is not good for muscle growth. Since it is quite obvious you do not know what is going on in your body. When you eat only four hours a day your body will only be anabolic roughly 4-6 hours a day. That means you are catabolic roughly 18-20 hours a day. Your body is using your muscle as fuel (catabolic). You might think your talking to some uneducated gym rat who only reads muscle and fitness.

Fasting has shown some possible health benefits. I have not seen any definitive proof. Mainly just claims. The simple fact is that fasting is not conducive to strength gains or size gains. You will not find any educated individuals who work with strength athletes advocating fasting. Virtually all will recommend up to 6-8 small balanced meals a day with snacks thrown in to maintain an anabolic state in order to gain as much strength or size as necessary for athletic discipline. The macro nutrient break down of the meals will also vary dependent on discipline.

Science on the subject is great and a place to start but the real deal is the real life results that come out of it. Nutrition classes..0 Lots of research and trying things out. That is the real way to know what works for you. I know what catabolism is. Shouldn't I be losing all my muscle mass doing what I'm doing??

I'm not sitting here saying its the way to go and for everyone but merely throwing out the fact that there are other options.

Where is Will Brink? I'm sure he has done some sort or studies.

I'm 33 years old and have put in 13 years in the gym and researching. I've tried many things and have read many things. I'm now married and have a kid which has killed my dead on focus on that stuff. I have found that fasting/intermittent fasting to be a great way to go about it. It is amazing to me the way it works, trust me I was leery at first. It is just very easy and very effective.

[jstone]

Science on the subject is great and a place to start but the real deal is the real life results that come out of it. Nutrition classes..0 Lots of research and trying things out. That is the real way to know what works for you. I know what catabolism is. Shouldn't I be losing all my muscle mass doing what I'm doing??

I'm not sitting here saying its the way to go and for everyone but merely throwing out the fact that there are other options.

Where is Will Brink? I'm sure he has done some sort or studies.

I'm 33 years old and have put in 13 years in the gym and researching. I've tried many things and have read many things. I'm now married and have a kid which has killed my dead on focus on that stuff. I have found that fasting/intermittent fasting to be a great way to go about it. It is amazing to me the way it works, trust me I was leery at first. It is just very easy and very effective.

Only in the past 3 years i have not been training and have tried many different diets/training regiments. If you are only fasting intermittently that is understandable. Your post made it seem you fasted 20 hours a day. If you have been training and researching as long as you stated i would think you would see that fasting 20 hours daily will not Leed to the best results. To be able to consume a minimum of 2000 calories in four hours daily would be hard to impossible. So if you are not fasting daily i understand what you are saying. I have read some papers on fasting and the benefits, but it was been a while. It seemed to get big a while ago. I just have not seen any definitive proof of its efficacy. Not to say it does not exist.

I only eat once a day roughly sometimes twice generally less than a 1000 calories a day. I have not put on any weight just lost all my muscle. It turned into soggy goo, and i have never been weaker. At one point i was on a ten pound weight restriction for over a year. From my current predicament i could not train with the energy levels i have only eating for four hours a day. I don't think i could eat enough to fuel a day in four hours.