Protein supplements for weight training--yea or nay?

[Double3]

Only in the past 3 years i have not been training and have tried many different diets/training regiments. If you are only fasting intermittently that is understandable. Your post made it seem you fasted 20 hours a day. If you have been training and researching as long as you stated i would think you would see that fasting 20 hours daily will not Leed to the best results. To be able to consume a minimum of 2000 calories in four hours daily would be hard to impossible. So if you are not fasting daily i understand what you are saying. I have read some papers on fasting and the benefits, but it was been a while. It seemed to get big a while ago. I just have not seen any definitive proof of its efficacy. Not to say it does not exist.

I only eat once a day roughly sometimes twice generally less than a 1000 calories a day. I have not put on any weight just lost all my muscle. It turned into soggy goo, and i have never been weaker. At one point i was on a ten pound weight restriction for over a year. From my current predicament i could not train with the energy levels i have only eating for four hours a day. I don't think i could eat enough to fuel a day in four hours.

I eat over 2000 cals in 4 hours. I wouldn't even know what it is but trust me I kill some food. It was almost painful at first but now I'm a garbage disposal and really don't get full.

I do fast for 20 hours now. Have been for a while. Really no change when it comes to strength levels but I did lose a few lbs. I just like to mess around with it and see what happens.

My brother eats this way as well. We went to a restaurant that has this big burger that you can get and you are supposed to eat it in 20 min. Well that is next to impossible but we did eat them in less than 30. Four half pound burgers layered between grilled cheese sandwiches, topped with bacon, more cheese, lettuce, tomatoes, pickles, onions and mayo on a toasted pretzel bun with a large order of fries.

[orionz06]

Lots of people I know are following Leangains and it is working, not sure that computes with what you are getting at, Jstone.

[Double3]

I'm not some kind of monster either.

Probably sitting around 180 right now with full on abs. I've been 190 at the most and that is just pushing it. I'd need to get into steroids to go further than that.

[Smash]

When you talk about professional athletes your talking about people who have crazy freak genetics. Especially the top performers. They could eat very little and still be bigger, faster, and stronger than most.

I eat in a 4 hour period everyday. I do not eat all day. Wake up and have a couple cups of black coffee and that is it. I'm stronger than I've ever been and feel a lot better. In that 4 hour period I eat a ton of food though. Mostly in one meal then a couple hours later eat something else. The large meal will consist of lots of veggies and 1.5-2 lbs of meat and whatever carb. I'll tear up cookies, ice cream, and that kind of junk and I stay very lean.

Anyone ever fast here? Warrior diet or lean gains?

But there is no denying the fact that protein is very important. The more the better.

This was the first post I saw of yours on this thread.

The thread is Protein Supplements for Weight Training.

It was a direct argument to my post that protein is necessary for all. Then goes off topic to ask people about fasting and Warrior Diets.

Yes I've seen the difference. There is a huge difference.

Lots of college players are going to be higher tier on the genetic scale. I couldn't have done the same and been in the same situation. If that was true then everyone would be a pro. There are guys that have to bust their ass to get there and guys that just blow up when they start doing things right.

Then you continue your argument about it being genetics, and then proceed to make my point for me contradicting yourself.

Oh man.

I believe I will stay away from talking on here. I'm not going to argue.

And you complain about arguments. After all of your arguments.

This thread is completely off topic now.

[Double3]

What did you just say? Do you not understand genetics?

Yes it is off topic sorry.

[Smash]

What did you just say? Do you not understand genetics?

Yes it is off topic sorry.

It's not all about genetics. You need the proper intake of nutrients including PROTEIN which I have stated several times.

You keep saying its genetics, and only want to talk about genetics. Are human genetics different than 40 years ago? Or maybe the science behind training and eating are different now.

Because unless you have learned about human genetics being part of a 100 year evolution then there has to be something else right?

The training and diets have allowed for genetically gifted athletes to push records farther. Genetics are nothing without the proper nutrition.

If it's just genetics then how can someone beat their previous marks unless they've changed their genetics? Weird.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...?smid=tw-share

[Double3]

I didn't say anything about it all being genetics but they do play a big role. Also said nothing about people changing their genetics. I'm talking about professional athletes compared to normal people. Just something i said that obviouly got blown out of proportion.

I also agree that protein is very important but you are obviously stuck on one thing I've said.

[BioLayne]

I'm not looking to be Mr. Bulko, I just want to stay in shape. I eat good meals otherwise. Should I use protein supplements? If so, which kind?

While traditionally thought of as a 'bulking' supplement, eating sufficient protein has a myriad of fat burning properties as well. Overall our lab found that while weight wasn't much different between people who consumed high protein diets vs. high carb diets, body composition (ie bodyfat) was significantly better in people consuming a higher protein diet (ie 30% of calories from protein) vs a high carb diet (15% calories from protein). You are looking at around 150-200g of protein per day for most people consuming 2000-2500 kcal/day. Most people will have trouble getting that amount without some sort of supplement. If you can get it from whole food, fantastic. If not, a good whey protein powder is an easy, highly digestible way to get in a quick dose of protein. Most of them taste pretty good as well.

[BioLayne]

I also saw a bit of debate on fasting. While intermittant fasts or meal frequency do not have an impact on fat loss, they it is not optimal if you are looking to increase muscle mass or maintain it past the age of 45 when muscle mass typically starts to decline. I give some thoughts on my research into this subject here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5AX2ND3UYo

here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOUW2ruT8wA

and here www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdTkG32A6k4

admittedly, much of that will be beyond the scope of this conversation, but I thought it pertinent to include for anyone interested.

[theinvisibleheart]

I'm not looking to be Mr. Bulko, I just want to stay in shape. I eat good meals otherwise. Should I use protein supplements? If so, which kind?

Best option is to get it naturally from food.

Most recent data is that there is very difference in muscle development whether you get it from vegetable/plant source vs. meat/dairy and also, most folks, esp. in US, get more than adequate amount of protein in their daily dietary intake.