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    Quote Originally Posted by chadbag View Post
    You really need to compare to the same level of car FOR THE TIME. If the current technology in the 70s was crank handles, carburetor etc then you compare to a vehicle in the same class or level.

    It is like computers. Say I bought a computer say for $3000 in 1990. It was the top of XYZ computers line. WHat is the equivalent computer in the lineup today? And how much does it cost. Obviously it will have more bells and whistles and be a few orders of magnitude faster today. Technology advances makes different levels of technology cheaper over time and the new technology takes over in the ladder at the top as it is introduced, pushing what was once the top down to the middle and eventually lower tiers.

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    No you don't. We're not talking about different levels of sophisticated air bags, we're talking about the presence of air bags or not. It doesnt make sense to say that entry level then = entry level now when the govt has imposed so many additional expensive components that werent even conceived of then, and all of which cost money that isnt part of the natural market evolution of that particular manufactured item. And then to compare it to a completely non-manufactured item like a tax stamp and what it represents....apples just do not equal oranges.

    And speaking of apples and oranges...you want to compare manufacturing costs and market forces of the auto industry to the computer industry....sorry, the argument just went beyond my ability to follow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hmac View Post
    No you don't. We're not talking about different levels of sophisticated air bags, we're talking about the presence of air bags or not. It doesnt make sense to say that entry level then = entry level now when the govt has imposed so many additional expensive components that werent even conceived of then, and all of which cost money that isnt part of the natural market evolution of that particular manufactured item. And then to compare it to a completely non-manufactured item like a tax stamp and what it represents....apples just do not equal oranges.
    Yes, you do. You compare the entry level car of today with the entry level car of yesteryear. Likewise, midrange to midrange, and high end to high end. The exact outfitting is irrelevant. New technology means that today's cars may have totally different stuff on them, but technology also drives costs down so what was once though exotic is now commonplace.

    To go back to the computer example: when the CDROM first came out, it was very expensive and only high end computers had them. My first CDROM was an external SCSI unit that cost around $450 and was a 1x or 2x reader. And I was not on the cutting edge of adoption.

    Now, if you even still have a CDROM, it is a $5 part to the manufacturer, if that. And a $12 part to the end user.

    The point was to show that CPI was not a great measure of the real inflation of prices. Not to compare cars to tax stamps.

    And speaking of apples and oranges...you want to compare manufacturing costs and market forces of the auto industry to the computer industry....sorry, the argument just went beyond my ability to follow.
    Not apples to oranges at all. The point is merely that what was once cutting edge becomes common place cheap through advances in technology, so you cannot say that the existence and use of a particular item back then equates at all to the same level of "luxury" today. Ie, having part X on a mid level car back then does not mean that a car today at the bottom of the bucket that also has the equivalent of part X is also a mid level car due to that part being affixed (air bag, stereo, fuel injection, or whatever)

    The same dynamic happens in computers as it does in cars. New technology gets introduced at the high end and filters its way down to the low end over time so the fact that a low end car today also has that technology in it means that the car in the past was low end, or that a car with that technology was high end back then means that a car with that technology today is high end.

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    one more reason why it DOES make sense to equate entry level of yesteryear with entry level of today (cars, computers, whatever) is because people will spend about the same percentage of their income for a car of a particular level in yesteryear and today. The cost to the consumer, as a percentage of income, is the same across time, within general bands.


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    That is such a huge pile of Forms waiting to be processed.

    Talk about a work nightmare. I'm sure one of them must of had nightmares about being buried in a pile of forms that never ends. Only to wake up and realize its true.

    Aren't there only like 10-15 auditors?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Knuckle View Post
    That is such a huge pile of Forms waiting to be processed.

    Talk about a work nightmare. I'm sure one of them must of had nightmares about being buried in a pile of forms that never ends. Only to wake up and realize its true.

    Aren't there only like 10-15 auditors?
    Here's what I found at

    http://www.atf.gov/firearms/nfa/0530...t-map-2012.pdf



    As to wait times, some people have declared a trend downward for wait times. From what I've read, they were down two examiners, replacements recently rehired. In addition, there was one examiner, [name redacted], who for health reasons was allowed to do forms from home. He, by rumor, was not terribly...uh...productive. In addition there are rumors that he was actually tossing some of the forms with longer backlogs. He is no longer an examiner.


    Here's the latest trendline from some blogger who follows these things. I can't attest to the accuracy of his scattergrams, but I understand he gets the data from NFAtracker.com.

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    I will say I just recieved a stamp back in the mail. Exactly 5 months (to the day) from pending to stamp-in-hand. Examiner was Siviero. Form 1 SBR with a Trust, if it matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam_s View Post
    I will say I just recieved a stamp back in the mail. Exactly 5 months (to the day) from pending to stamp-in-hand. Examiner was Siviero. Form 1 SBR with a Trust, if it matters.
    I hope the downward trend continues. I am hoping I have my stamp by November.

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    [QUOTE=Hmac;1345982]Here's what I found at

    http://www.atf.gov/firearms/nfa/0530...t-map-2012.pdf



    Like anything I would take this with a grain of salt; I live in Texas and Mr. Pickles handled my applications. Things may have changed since then, naturally.

    Not to go too off topic, but like all BATFE employees I have dealt with, Mr. Pickles was reasonably prompt, very professional, and very courteous when I spoke to him on the phone.

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    My Form 4 went pending 3/28. 5 months would be nice but I'm not really expecting it to come back until the end of Sept. some time. I recently received a Form 4 stamp for my suppressor and it took 6 months.

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    [QUOTE=TriumphRat675;1357062]
    Quote Originally Posted by Hmac View Post
    Here's what I found at

    http://www.atf.gov/firearms/nfa/0530...t-map-2012.pdf



    Like anything I would take this with a grain of salt; I live in Texas and Mr. Pickles handled my applications. Things may have changed since then, naturally.

    Not to go too off topic, but like all BATFE employees I have dealt with, Mr. Pickles was reasonably prompt, very professional, and very courteous when I spoke to him on the phone.
    This assignment list is just since May 2012.

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