To the OP; I'm impressed you read that much depth into it.
To Adam Morehead; That's solid you standing up, hope you do well. Now kick your lawyer in the nads.
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To the OP; I'm impressed you read that much depth into it.
To Adam Morehead; That's solid you standing up, hope you do well. Now kick your lawyer in the nads.
Well, first, thanks for the replies—it’s always good to learn from others. Here are my takeaways at this point:
1) These terms are not normal for this industry.
2) They may change at some point in the future.
3) Most of their prior customers didn’t read the terms. Or can’t, I suppose. But should have.
4) Many here don’t think that coating key parts and fluting the barrel in unusual ways are worth the money charged.
5) Good: Noveske, KAC, BCM, LaRue
6) Not so good: Mega Arms
7) Lawyers deserve the (bad) reputation they have.
8) Legion firearms is responsive if nothing else.
Again, my primary point in this thread was to learn what are normal terms in the industry and explain my dissatisfaction/call attention to these terms. Mission accomplished.
To address some of the rest of the comments briefly, I suppose I’ll add Noveske was always at the top of my list, and there is even an outfit here in Phoenix that I can take that gun to and Cerakote it myself. For an added cost, of course. I’m not so much a fan of ‘proprietary’ parts, and I understand a KAC is full of them, so they were a bit further down my list for that reason. But on it. As to the point about buying 2 Colts—good idea, generally. If I took that fork in the road, I’d be looking hard at Rock Rive Arms too.
I’m ok with cutting/leading edge stuff like Nickel-boron and Cerakote coatings, but only if I have good reason to believe that it is reliable and not just a gimmick. I’m satisfied that these coatings do provide a useful function, the only real decision there is costworthiness. Some of the things I read about LF's hex design affecting vibration and stiffness are technically true (I am a mechanical engineer), however I haven’t seen the evidence the ultimate effect is significant/worth it. For the rest who have not researched, I believe there was a less than formal claim of <1 MOA with 'standard' ammo, which, if true, would justify the price a bit more. To some such as myself.
Thanks again.
PS: Adam—Time will tell if you folks do make a change. It’s your business, you’re free to do it as you want—just as I am as a (potential) customer. Regardless, I do appreciate the fact that you responded at all. I’ll assert that I was not ‘trolling’; I read the terms for a reason; and I did find them unacceptable. I remain legitimately concerned about claims of barrel accuracy given these terms. I would suggest that if you have good and/or independent data...publish it! That would go a long way toward me opening my wallet.
We have had a very happy business relationship with Jamie and Adam since 2010, both are outstanding guys, and I've heard nothing but great things about Legion Firearms as a company, and their products. In case anyone didn't know, Legion Firearms receivers are 45 degree compatible![]()
Roger Wang
Forward Controls Design
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Uh, you'd be dead wrong on that one bud.
MEGA Arms makes some of, if not the best AR receivers available - forged or billet. Always in spec, insane finish/anodizing. Just consistent quality.
Besides a few Noveske FFLs, all I run are MEGA receivers - I've had just about all the others. MEGA is top-tier stuff. If you knew anything about the company and their machine work, you'd know they strive to be the best with the limited products they offer. The arms side is a spin-off from their aerospace manufacturing side. Precision work.
If you're talking about the NiB finish, then I agree wholeheartedly - pretty darn silly to have an uncoated NiB exterior, but whatever.
Last edited by Brahmzy; 07-13-12 at 08:43.
OP...glad you pointed all that out...buying something for that amount of money on the internet I too would have read all the disclaimers.
Legion seems like a messed up head trip company. Personally I'm going to stay away especially with so many other top quality rifle company's on the market.
I suggest you re-read the entire thread before making that statement, the manufacturer did respond.
Remember, folks, you can add all sorts of stuff into a EULA, ToS, or purchase agreement, but that does not mean that it has the force of law. I remember some software developer adding a clause that summarized "We own your immortal soul upon installing our software"
They just did it as a point to show that people never, ever read EULAs, and of course they cant enforce it (well...I hope)
Interesting thread. Horrible purchase agreement for Legion.
Adam and the company need to revamp that whole page.
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