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Thread: New Surefire SOCOM RC Suppressors

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kudu22 View Post
    Volume is part of it but only to an extent. Getting the gases to flow slow enough to cool and reduce the muzzle blast report but fast enough so that the back pressure is minimized. Volume increase in diameter for 5.56 has shown not to help for everything we have done. Volume increases in length do help but the market place wants short suppressors on shorter and shorter barrels. Designs are always going to advance. I don't see that changing for a very long time.
    So, really, the goal is to slow the gasses in a linear fashion, and to balance "average velocity" with cycling/back-pressure issues?

    At first I thought that maybe it would be smart to slow the gasses faster toward the end of the can, but it really doesn't matter as the pressure in the can, as a whole, is the issue (Bullet is gone/pressure fills the whole can before cycling is complete) and volume retains pressure no-matter how you slice it (ROF increases show this) as long as the velocity of the gasses is controlled the same.

    Thus, the smaller the can, and the closer you can slow the gasses (without having flash/powder burning in the latter chambers/out the muzzle) to the optimal velocity for function vs. suppression (varies by mission requirement, caliber, barrel length, etc....hence you offer a Mini, Full-size, etc...), the "better" things are.

    Internal venting and fluid/gas flow dynamics and advancements made via these studies allow smaller and smaller cans to come closer and closer to balancing this act of retarding gas velocity vs. function.

    For example, a 3', 1.5" diameter pipe with 2 washers in it would function great, and suppress like crap. Compared to a Surefire 556 SOCOM, which will suppress great, but cause a LOT more back-pressure than the junk-yard pipe above.

    Really, the only thing that CAN advance are materials (lighter/stronger), and how they are used (knowledge based on experience, trial and error, and flow dynamics) to better achieve the optimal release of gasses for a given task. On that note, the industry is moving closer and closer to "improvements" being statistical rather than observable to the human senses, as best I can tell.

    Many people argue Surefire vs. SWR vs. AAC. I feel that if you take the cans, account for their volume difference, the sound suppression will be almost identical. Some (AAC) are in the middle on size, while Surefire and SWR tend to pick opposite ends of that spectrum.

    At least, this is this medical guy's understanding of the engineer's plight, although I may have it all wrong.

    Hence I buy Surefire, because the mount is unarguably superior, and while I have not used the CS of AAC, SWR, or others, Surefire has impressed me beyond belief. For that reason alone, I have no reason to buy another suppressor unless the competitor's are made of unobtanium, remove weight from the rifle, and are plated in dried unicorn blood. Not affiliated with Surefire in any way but as a customer, but damn, if a company treats me as well as Surefire has, I cannot help but give them a bit of a plug in posts about their cans.
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    Happy day

    mailed my paperwork today for my 556 SOCOM RC!

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    Was out yesterday testing 24 designs on a HK416 10" and Mk18 with 2 different types of ammo. We were doing flash, cycle and sound testing just to collect data. Was a long day but a lot of fun in the sun collecting data on the new Pulse system. I have got to spend some time with a audio engineer we have retained and will have a ton of info. for everyone once we get new state of art sound testing locations built.
    Garin Lee
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    Garin@SureFire.com

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    I finally had time to take a video of the 762RC, 556RC, & 556Mini on my 14.5" KAC.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiT9Op6yQ6A

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    Quote Originally Posted by kanek View Post
    I finally had time to take a video of the 762RC, 556RC, & 556Mini on my 14.5" KAC.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiT9Op6yQ6A
    Thanks for posting the vid. I have a 7.62 mini pending. How do you like SOCOM's so far?

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    finally someone has some video footage of shooting the rc series. cant wait, i got a 762 mini on hold should be about november till i can take her home. thanks for posting that up gives me something to look forward to.
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    No problem. I'll get a video of the 762RC on my 300 Win mag too.

    As far as liking the SOCOM line... I still prefer the Legacy mounting system, less troubles getting it on. The SOCOM's get carbon locked pretty bad pretty quick. But still a good suppressor of course. I am interested in seeing it go head to head with the AAC MK13. I'll do a side by side of them too.

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    anyone running one of these on a noveske 10.2" 300BLK barrel and 9.5" rail?

    i just got my barrel and rail in and the threads literally stop RIGHT at the edge of the rail. i know the lip for the suppressor mount is about 1/4-3/8" down the brake which may be my saving grace! i still need to find an MUR 1a or noveske upper to finish the build though so it will be a while before i can verify it it will/wont fit

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    Quote Originally Posted by kanek View Post
    No problem. I'll get a video of the 762RC on my 300 Win mag too.

    As far as liking the SOCOM line... I still prefer the Legacy mounting system, less troubles getting it on. The SOCOM's get carbon locked pretty bad pretty quick. But still a good suppressor of course. I am interested in seeing it go head to head with the AAC MK13. I'll do a side by side of them too.
    I'll be interested in that comparison as well.

    I haven't yet had an issue with locking on at all, and I prefer the new system. As long as the ring is spun fully before to try and drop it on it's just good to go.

    I only have a little time on mine, won't have it fully until about three weeks or so.

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    Does anyone have a video comparing the Socom762-RC and the Socom762-mini? youtube has a video comparing the older model 762-BK and 762 mini but that was under a roof.




    Unrelated note: Really frustrated with my dealer. I placed my order back in Jan. for both a 762-RC and 762-mini . I was only able to send my form 4 for the 762-RC off last week. Still waiting for the 762-mini to come in.

    As long as I have at least one of the cans by next Oct. for a hog hunt I will be happy.
    "When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." Thomas Jefferson.

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