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    Quote Originally Posted by JG007 View Post
    That's my plan, it seems to make a lot of sense.

    Is my understanding correct, that the a5 largely is intended to address the back pressure with suppressor attached, but dialing down an adjustable block addresses the issue at step 1, so the a5 wouldn't need to at step 4 (?)?
    I intend to learn something about this tomorrow or Sunday. I'm going to try the A5 with an H3 buffer behind the suppressed 11.5 with Syrac upper.

    This goes back to the port snap I'm getting with the H buffer I'm running now...
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    Quote Originally Posted by domestique View Post
    Did you notice the micromoa's setting getting bumped at all? My biggest fear would be the system taking a hit and the plate shifting.
    No. Not possible. It takes some force to move the plates.

    I run the Syrac and have it tuned to where the gun runs with no can, but won't lock back. That still leaves me a very smooth running gun with the suppressor installed.
    If I were running this gun in any serious arena, I'd probably back the Syrac open a little and give up some of the smoothness with the can on... But you can pretty much have your cake and eat MOST of it too with the Syrac.
    I'd have to give that some thought, but not the worst idea I've ever heard actually Makes sense if you think the can is going to be on there 95% of the time, but want that little bit of assurance at least the gun will run normally/correctly for a full mag. I download my mags by one anyhow so no issues of inserting a mag on a closed bolt. I'll think about this some more.

    Maybe you'd see the a5 benefit more there?
    I have yet to see a downside to having the A5 system. The rifle length spring is in no way inferior or harder to find than carbine (historically speaking, I'm certain more A2 springs have been made). The buffer which is not a wear part is more versitile. The tube isn't going anywhere. I run Magpul STR and ACS which works awesome. I've swapped uppers and lowers all the time and never had an issue with any combo. I don't think it's a magic bandaid for overgassed guns to the point it makes an adjustable block moot - however... With the A5 and a 556-RC, it's noticeably better than a carbine + AAC suppressor (notoriously more blowback) for instance. I have two primary ARs and both have A5, it's not much more money and it's definitely not hurting anything - I just can't define the degree of improvement.

    And... As far as the A5 kit goes... With a spacer you can still run a carbine buffer and spring if for some reason you wished to go all caveman on it.
    Last edited by Noodles; 05-16-14 at 16:23.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noodles View Post
    Took my 556-RC to a carbine class this last week. Cut down the gas with a MicroMOA block, which did work well aside from a small training issue. Only pic I have, the RC is in the background. It was a gnarly class for being on the move constantly so barely snapped a few photos myself.

    A couple of notes:

    1. Shooting on my precision carbine (getting it very hot) then getting that rained on, I was able to lock the mount up pretty tight! Couldn't get it off after it had cooled. Put some fireclean between the can and mount, let it sit, and finally someone else was able to unlock it. I highly recommend a little lube behind the gas seal rings. I fired a lot during the class and have had no other issues once lubing the mounting faces.
    How does this compare to a 556-212? I have one, as well as said FH, and I use FIREClean pretty religiously on the mount. I know 200 rounds isn't 1200, but I fired 200 rounds, got the weapon/can pretty darn hot, and it came right off for me this last week.

    2. Perfectly pleased with the RC's sound reduction. I kept muffs on the entire time, but it was a pleasure that day or night shooting, there was no blast coming back on me from the gun or being next to a vehicle or barricade. It's just so much nicer to shoot suppressed when you're under cover or up against things. No kidding. Inside cars I bet it's a godsend!

    3. I have a very nicely gassed gun suppressed. I'm not sure I could go with any smaller of a MicroMOA plate. I THINK the one I'm using now is .56 or something like that. .49 iirc did not work suppressed, it's 12.5" DD carbine length barrel. I'm absolutely certain other cans would allow for smaller ports on this gun (make more backpressure) so SF's points about lower backpressure do seem to be legit. I had a Noveske 14.5" middy w/Switchblock that was a VERY VERY soft (too soft) shooter with an H buffer and mil-spec spring using a Surefire 556-212. They gas their SB's for AAC M4-2000's, as a template, I believe, and this underscored the point that SF has low back-pressure. I can't wait to try my SOCOM Mini!

    4. Getting in and out of vehicles with a suppressed 12.5" was perfectly fine. I see no need to remove this can for most uses. Although I did have to be careful to not burn anything if the gun was still hot (EDIT: this was only really a concern when getting in vehicles that specially were not mine). In the future I may consider a dedicated thread-on can for a different carbine. I bought a Bowers cover. $35, and it worked great. AFter you rip off a mag or two, it can start to "walk" on you, but it's easy to tap it back into place. I did not get mine to melt, nor was it a real issue. IT totally killed mirage, and I could grab the suppressor with a thin glove for 5-10 seconds without any issue.

    5. This course specifically had components about using a carbine close up, and immediately following that with precision aspects. Because the 12.5" was suppressed, I found it easy to maintain focus on wind and holds. Took this 12.5" from close range, then immediately plop down on my gear bag and with 10 rounds in a specific drill go from 100, 200, 300, 400, and ended up with hits at 500, before making three attempts at 600 where I was never able to come up enough, had I known my holds better I would have gotten there (EDIT: This gun has an Aimpoint H1 2MOA). This was on military e-sized targets (echo, 20x40") or smaller. Under the tin roof, had the gun not been suppressed, I feel I probably may have not had the same trigger control and focus.

    6. My POI shift at 100y on this gun is 1" down. Can't argue with that. I have had the same suppressor give me 8 MOA, 2 MOA, and 4 MOA shifts on weapons. It's all about the barrel, IMO. My DDM4 has a bit less than 2 MOA shift, my two Noveske's were 4 and 8, with the 10.5" gun being the 8 MOA shifter. Go figure...

    7. SIGNIFICANT night / low light shooting. There is a 3-5" tiny pencil flash from the 556-RC on a 12.5". Perfectly pleased with that as well. At no point did I see the flash as a shooter. I will note that I did have one issue where coming around the side of a minivan, had to transition to the left, I had a steel target about 35y from me, using ambient light from other shooters I was able to put 4-5 hits on it very quickly. Use my strong hand to reach up under the gun and turn the light on, all I saw was smoke. The gun had never moved. So shooting low light like you shoot (light then move) this wouldn't really be an issue. But it was interesting to see how 200lum from the inforce WML turned into about 50lum on the target and the rest lighting up the cloud around my muzzle.

    http://instagram.com/p/n3HWu3rszp/#
    It's amazing how much smoke "smokeless" powder puts off.

    Do you have a MINI SOCOM to compare this to, or have you seen one in the wild enough to form a comparison opinion? I am concerned with flash mitigation, and curious about backpressure/sound comparison.

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    I honestly completely spaced to initially put any lube on the mount. It was only after hot and then a lot of rain on the barrel/can/mount that I had figured that might have been a good idea.

    Initially I had considered buying a can cover. But after seeing some of the prices I came to a resounding NOOOPE. I'll wait until they race that market down a bit. As for mirage, there was zero noticeable mirage using a 2MOA Aimpoint. It just wasn't an issue at all. I've seen it plenty with a 10x scope though. I was also about zero percent thrilled with the weight of some of the covers on the market.

    I do not have the mini to compare to. I can say, that at no point was I bummed about the length of the 556-RC. Nor could I say I would care if it was a tiny bit louder. The Mini seems to be at a fair compromise to the RC, I wouldn't figure I'd be better off with either. They seem about the same to me. Had I been having problems getting in and out of vehicles, or weight, or whatever I might feel different, but it's all the same I think. I kinda still want a mini but I'm not sure I could justify it already owning the RC. That said, I think the 556Mini and 762-RC would make a good pairing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noodles View Post
    I honestly completely spaced to initially put any lube on the mount. It was only after hot and then a lot of rain on the barrel/can/mount that I had figured that might have been a good idea.

    Initially I had considered buying a can cover. But after seeing some of the prices I came to a resounding NOOOPE. I'll wait until they race that market down a bit. As for mirage, there was zero noticeable mirage using a 2MOA Aimpoint. It just wasn't an issue at all. I've seen it plenty with a 10x scope though. I was also about zero percent thrilled with the weight of some of the covers on the market.

    I do not have the mini to compare to. I can say, that at no point was I bummed about the length of the 556-RC. Nor could I say I would care if it was a tiny bit louder. The Mini seems to be at a fair compromise to the RC, I wouldn't figure I'd be better off with either. They seem about the same to me. Had I been having problems getting in and out of vehicles, or weight, or whatever I might feel different, but it's all the same I think. I kinda still want a mini but I'm not sure I could justify it already owning the RC. That said, I think the 556Mini and 762-RC would make a good pairing.
    I have a 762RC, 762 SOCOM Mini, 556 SOCOM Mini, and 2 556-212 cans. The SOCOMs are all pending, the 212's are in-hand. I am curious how the MIni compares to the 212. I am just seriously impatient

    As to the can cover...buy the Bowers. It's $35, and it will save you a burned leg with a carbine...or with that little bitty rifle of yours...maybe even more important things...

    One thing, the Bowers cover DID walk on me with a 6" can, They told me it would, and I bought it knowing this, but it wasn't bad, and a zip-tie would have prevented it had I chosen to use one. ALl-in-all, though, it's a great investment for your health.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WS6 View Post
    I have a 762RC, 762 SOCOM Mini, 556 SOCOM Mini, and 2 556-212 cans. The SOCOMs are all pending, the 212's are in-hand. I am curious how the MIni compares to the 212. I am just seriously impatient
    How much longer you think you have on the 556 Mini?

    I just did the math and my SOCOM 762RC and 762 Mini took 375 days door to door. I still will not be in my home state to pick up till August.

    I'm real interested in how the 556 Mini does. I'm looking to use on 14.5" primarily and part time on a 10.5"


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    Quote Originally Posted by kknick View Post
    How much longer you think you have on the 556 Mini?

    I just did the math and my SOCOM 762RC and 762 Mini took 375 days door to door. I still will not be in my home state to pick up till August.

    I'm real interested in how the 556 Mini does. I'm looking to use on 14.5" primarily and part time on a 10.5"


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    I'm predicting Feb 2015. It's going on a 14.5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WS6 View Post
    I'm predicting Feb 2015. It's going on a 14.5.
    Nothing makes sense with the ATF. I have 2 cans that went pending Nov. 9th. One stamp came in 3 weeks ago, the other was still pending as of last week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by domestique View Post
    Nothing makes sense with the ATF. I have 2 cans that went pending Nov. 9th. One stamp came in 3 weeks ago, the other was still pending as of last week.
    I've always gotten mine as expected. Yesterday my 762RC and SBR both cleared.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noodles View Post
    Initially I had considered buying a can cover. But after seeing some of the prices I came to a resounding NOOOPE. I'll wait until they race that market down a bit. As for mirage, there was zero noticeable mirage using a 2MOA Aimpoint. It just wasn't an issue at all. I've seen it plenty with a 10x scope though. I was also about zero percent thrilled with the weight of some of the covers on the market.
    These are a good value and come in multiple colors/sizes: http://eliteiron.com/elite-iron-suppressor-wraps.html.
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