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The post could get between the tines, especially if attached in the dark. There were 4 possible orientations for it...so if there WAS any zero-shift...well paint a dot, lol. The un-used tines filled the slot with carbon during use...so again, paint a dot or scratch it or something or it won't seat fully if removed/re-attached. Further, carbon could build up behind the post in the slot.
With the 212 mount, it only goes on in 1 orientation. That V-cut won't likely foul meaningfully in any situation. It doesn't have ANY "ring" to it. You can mount the suppressor by feel, even in the dark, and be 100% sure it is ON.
However, SOCOM liked the other mount, so Surefire made it work.
---Just my .02 from reading about and looking at the stuff. Not official info in any way. I am very happy with my 556-212 and 212 mount combo. The only thing the SOCOM offers is more durability (I could shoot out 2 barrels instead of just 1?), reduced back-pressure (I don't know how meaningful it is, I remember AAC claiming the same about the M4/SPR, and I never really saw evidence of it based on full-auto analysis/round-count, so that remains to be seen. Also, no FRP or muzzle-flash. This is huge for the military and maybe police, but not really a factor for me.
Also, my concern with the SOCOM was this...The Noveske Switchblock is awesome. I use them. They work perfect with my 556-212. What if the SOCOM cut back-pressure to the point that the weapon was unreliable in the suppressed setting when dirty, yet was over-gassed in the normal setting? So I just bought another 556-212 and when I wear one out, I will use the other. Easily as good as a beefier blast-chamber.
Last edited by WS6; 09-09-12 at 12:04.
I talked with Garin at Surefire a while back. It is my understanding there WILL be a FH mount for the 212 series cans. They may just not have listed them yet.
A couple of questions;
Are they only going to be sold in tan?
Are the older models being phased out? The only 5.56 MB on the website is the new style.
I watched this video, and while back-pressure I am sure is reduced, I saw several things in it that make me feel like this is evolutionary vs. revolutionary.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75gjY...ayer_embedded#!
Observe at 3:20, you will see the shells ejecting well forward of where they normally do in most un-suppressed M4 style weapons, and then a few kick out to 3-4 o'clock.
Okay, I know that the "wheel" and all that gets a fair amount of ragging on and is "unscientific". What matters is that the weapon cycles properly, forget where the casings land.
With that in mind, watch very closely at 3:40. Note that the casing appears to eject at 4 o'clock. Now watch it several times, closer. You will see that it ejects so violently that it is first extracted, then slams into the shell-deflector, and is knocked forward into the front of the ejection port, and is then kicked back out of the chamber by the bolt-carrier to the 4 o'clock position. This could well have turned into a stove-pipe looking jam.
The back-pressure just doesn't seem much less with this suppressor, to me, as the firearms in this video are obviously over-gassed. I am sure that Surefire has conducted full-auto testing and a rate reduction is shown, but I am guessing it is more academic, based on Surefire's promotional video.
Last edited by WS6; 09-11-12 at 06:19.
Now on the Website they dont show any other cans besides the 212 SOCOM for 5.56 and the 7.62 SOCOM for 7.62 cans.
I hope they continue to make FH and Brake mounts for the "old" suppressors.
I just sent in my Form 4 and feel like I have to rush to get extra mounts.
I also wanted to get a mini, but unless there available for about another year then I guess im out of luck.
I love to know if there are plans to do runs of the "old" suppressors and mounts for a few years.
According to Garin Lee, they have current contracts for the -212 cans and mounts, and will still support them/produce them for a time, as I understand it.
Surefire has done a really hardcore "about-face" when it comes to civilian support. I bet that they will be more than glad to assist in putting a -212 compatible mount in your hands if you cannot find one elsewhere. They are friendly and helpful.
Last edited by WS6; 09-13-12 at 19:17.
I've got a MINI just waiting for paperwork to clear. I had no idea about the new models, but I would have liked to compare before laying down that much cash.
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