A sad day.

[PA PATRIOT]

Another mass shooting this time in Aurora, CO.

Fox News TV interview of Aurora Police Chief stated the shooter was armed with a AR-15, Remington 870 Shotgun and two Glock .40 pistols.

The shooter was also wearing full body armor with leg, arm, throat and groin flap and a ballistic helmet.

And lastly the shooter used two unknown types of expelling gas canisters.

71 killed or wounded.

This nut was ready for war.

It would have been very difficult for a CCW to have stopped him without scoring a face shot or a hit to a unarmored gap on the torso but this nut goes to show how far some will go to commit a evil act.

Imagine hundreds of like supplied persons running the streets which we could see during a collapse of civil order.

This is just another example of why we need to be vigilant, be equipped and to be always armed with a effective caliber/ammunition choice.

[Scorpaznatica]

Is that confirmed information? I haven't been able to glean any of the specifics from any of the media reports, but I'm guessing by your username that you have an inside line?

If that's accurate, that's pretty wild. I can't imagine how long this must have been premeditated and planned-out for. For a civilian (a 24yo, no less) to acquire all of that armor isn't cheap... He also wired his whole apartment. I'm wondering if he didn't have outside funding and/or assistance.

Do you have any idea what the status is on the suspect? Are they holding him in custody or have things progressed any further yet?

[cinco]

Yeah, Philly's got it right on the weapons. I saw the same conference where the Chief of Police listed those items.

The guy is in custody.

A sad day for sure. My prayers go out to those innocent folks. Sad, sad.

Philly, you're right man. That is a sobering thought going up against a guy armored like that. Reminds me of the LA shoot-out and those bad guys were acting like they were annoyed by bees when hit with 9's.

The repercussions for gun owners with similar weapons and folks who buy armor is not going to be good. One A-hole will be used to paint a wide stroke that will paint the majority of good citizens in a bad light.

Great, right before Hillary's supposed to announce the UN Arms Treaty crap come Monday.

[Moose-Knuckle]

No doubt.


When Mrs. Moose-Knuckle and I attend the cinema I always have a CCW, extra 17 round mag, SF E1L, and my ever present Kershaw Blur.

I'm reading A LOT of reports from the survivors about how they were thrown, kicked, stepped on, et al. as the heard panicked. It was utter chaos. Makes one stop and ponder as to what they would do if thrown in such a situation.

A good topic for this particular sub-forum.

[firemike]

Agreed - this is a sad event.

I have no personal knowledge of the situation - but multiple news stories say the building was posted as a No CCW area. I have seen these in the past in my area.

Also - news stories say the shooter may have used an emergency exit in the process of the murders. This report bothers me just as much as the "details" of the weapons used. Emergency Egress is also one of those things that is not really needed - unless you really need it.

Lasty - read all you can on this event. Learn everything there is to learn from the people who survived the PANIC ! Panic Kills ! The emergency Egress thing is there for a reason. Look at the Chicago night club tear gas event for proof. There are more than a few fires also if you don't get the point. I read that more than a few survivors "played dead" to avoid being targeted. As long as you don't get stompled - I can't find fault in this.

[Reagans Rascals]

I believe this man should never have reached police custody... alive....

there are some times in life when its just time to do what needs to be done.... and that includes dead checking a few shitbags...

I'll make it very simple..... responding officer arrives on scene... confronts said shit bag... takes said shit bad into custody... drives down an alley... shoots said shit bag in the brain stem... claims said shit bag was going for a weapon... said shit bag is gone... responding officer goes home to his family... end of story

I refuse to pay taxes to try this man in court, spend years and millions of dollars, for him to simply be put in a looney bin for the remainder of his life, and after all is said and done... the families of the victims receive no retribution or harmony... which is specifically what justice is....

I volunteer if no one else is up for the job... I have a new lawnmower that I just sharpened the blades on...

[Reagans Rascals]

Agreed - this is a sad event.

I have no personal knowledge of the situation - but multiple news stories say the building was posted as a No CCW area. I have seen these in the past in my area.

Also - news stories say the shooter may have used an emergency exit in the process of the murders. This report bothers me just as much as the "details" of the weapons used. Emergency Egress is also one of those things that is not really needed - unless you really need it.

Lasty - read all you can on this event. Learn everything there is to learn from the people who survived the PANIC ! Panic Kills ! The emergency Egress thing is there for a reason. Look at the Chicago night club tear gas event for proof. There are more than a few fires also if you don't get the point. I read that more than a few survivors "played dead" to avoid being targeted. As long as you don't get stompled - I can't find fault in this.

Read the book The Unthinkable: Who Survives When Disaster Strikes and Why.... I have it in .pdf if you'd like it

[cinco]

but multiple news stories say the building was posted as a No CCW area. I have seen these in the past in my area.

Stuff to ponder - should you choose to visit such a business/event that both prevents you from protecting yourself & placing you in a "trap" of sorts?

Personally, I don't like such places and won't frequent them unless required. If I must, I will not sit with my back to the door and like to sit right next to the exit. My buddy is the one who awakened me to this mentality. I hassled him a bit at first about being paranoid - but I was just stupid Now I see his point - and I try and do this whether carrying or not. This sad story just reaffirms this in my mind.

[Hmac]

I have no personal knowledge of the situation - but multiple news stories say the building was posted as a No CCW area. I have seen these in the past in my area.

In Colorado, "No Gun" signs like that don't have the force of law. There is no penalty for ignoring such posted signs and carrying a weapon anyway.

[TacCommE21]

I second Reagan's Rascals suggestion on "The Unthinkable..." He was kind enough to share it with me and it is a solid read.

I was shocked to hear about one of the victims narrowly avoiding a shooting in Toronto. Most of us will never encounter one active shooter scenario let alone two. Bad luck I suppose.

I guess it seems too hopeful to expect that the political and knee-jerk reactionary fallout from this can be mitigated.