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    Quote Originally Posted by Mac19D View Post
    Oh yeah absolutely. I wouldn't have posted a positive reply if it wasn't a solid build from the get go. Yeah if that thing didn't pass the visual inspection upon recieving it it would have gone back to PKF immediately and more so if it had any type of malfunctions within the first 30rds. Yes I am more than just happy with their service and workmanship.

    Just to note, I guess I take for granted most know, but you should really inspect, function check, and clean any new rifle. The smallest error in build could result in serious injury. So by all means its okay to take a consensus on anyone's workmanship but doesn't mean you don't take precautions.

    30 rounds huh!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shihan View Post
    30 rounds huh!
    Yep! 30rds equals one full magazine. Well for me they equal 3 since we have a 10rd limit per. I'm sure you have a different opinion so I'll play... How many rounds do you count till you are satisfied there are no major flaws on a brand new custom upper before you feel okay about yours?
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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    Well it depends on who is doing the assembling.

    Quick story. Was talking to one of the SD guys about something and we got on the subject of dealers buying their barrels and then putting various uppers and BCG together and selling them as "SD uppers." SD gets a warranty call about a problem upper. So they have the guy send in his "SD upper." Come to find out, the upper was not assembled properly and only the poorest quality components were used.

    IMHO, I would only buy AR's built by certain dealers.


    C4
    Well now, that could explain a number if things.

    I must say though that in my experience, if you have a problem with a Sabre product, they WILL take care of you, period, end of story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mac19D View Post
    Yep! 30rds equals one full magazine. Well for me they equal 3 since we have a 10rd limit per. I'm sure you have a different opinion so I'll play... How many rounds do you count till you are satisfied there are no major flaws on a brand new custom upper before you feel okay about yours?
    This is nothing against PK, or your gun, or Sabre. I would say, if you haven't put at least a thousand rounds thru the AR, slow fire and rapid fire, with various ammos, then you really don't know. jmho, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 12131 View Post
    This is nothing against PK, or your gun, or Sabre. I would say, if you haven't put at least a thousand rounds thru the AR, slow fire and rapid fire, with various ammos, then you really don't know. jmho, of course.
    I am with your opinion. Right out of the box however I just like to take extra percaution and watch for major mechanical error as I believe anything seriously wrong hopefully will happen right away. Finding your rifles tolerances in ammo and cycle rates does take time and can be worth adjustments to achieve ones own level of worthiness.
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    Guys, does anybody know what the story is on the SDI barrels being sold by PK? I just got one, and I'm more than a little concerned after reading some of the comments on here.

    Looking at Talon Arms website, it looks like they were selling what they call a 'special run' of the 16" middie barrels for $315 (special price). PK has the barrel for $329, so I figured it must be the same thing. Based on what you guys were saying about the pricing, these barrels must not be the standard SDI stuff. What in the world is going on?

    Man, I'm getting quite discouraged trying to get myself a 16" middie that I can count on for HD. After having problems with 'built' uppers, I decided to just put my own upper together with the parts I want. The barrel is proving to be a problem because I already had a different one with an issue, so I got the SDI from PK. Now it sounds like I still don't have what I wanted or thought I was getting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krichbaum View Post
    Guys, does anybody know what the story is on the SDI barrels being sold by PK? I just got one, and I'm more than a little concerned after reading some of the comments on here.

    Looking at Talon Arms website, it looks like they were selling what they call a 'special run' of the 16" middie barrels for $315 (special price). PK has the barrel for $329, so I figured it must be the same thing. Based on what you guys were saying about the pricing, these barrels must not be the standard SDI stuff. What in the world is going on?

    Man, I'm getting quite discouraged trying to get myself a 16" middie that I can count on for HD. After having problems with 'built' uppers, I decided to just put my own upper together with the parts I want. The barrel is proving to be a problem because I already had a different one with an issue, so I got the SDI from PK. Now it sounds like I still don't have what I wanted or thought I was getting.
    You won't know until you shoot it. I would not get discouraged or upset just because of something you read on the errornet, the proof will be in the pudding. PK has been selling these for a long time now, I think if there were major problems you'd hear more about it (and Sabre would stop selling to PK. Why would Sabre continue selling to them to PK if they had a bad rep of putting them together, damaging Sabre's name?) They also sell the M4 and 20" govt profile most of the time too, I don't think they're "special runs" or seconds or something, not when they almost always have them in stock, and I have a hard time believing Sabre would allow it to continue if there were some sort of major issues. Shoot yours and let us know how it does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    Don't know. Maybe SD did a special run of barrels at a discounted price. The price in my price sheet don't line up though.

    Most likely these barrels are NOT HPT/MP tested. This would be one way to cut down on the cost.


    C4
    I thought SDI only did batch HPT/MP testing. Would they release a batch without any testing?

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    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "M4Carbine.net Forums" <staff@m4carbine.net>
    > To: <sales@pkfirearms.com>
    > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 8:27 PM
    > Subject: Account removed at M4Carbine.net Forums!
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    >> Dear PK Firearms,
    >>
    >> Unfortunately your registration at M4Carbine.net Forums did not meet our
    >> membership requirements. Therefore your registration was deleted.
    >>
    >> Sorry,
    >> M4Carbine.net Forums

    Here is a cut an paste email I received from Paul. He can't post a reply to defend himself, so I thought I would throw this out to the forum.

    Also here is what Paul sent me....

    > Bob
    >
    > I decided that with the second thread bashing me I should defend
    > myself, so I registered as a member to respond to the misinformation and
    > just received the following e-mail from them. I guess I am not allowed to
    > defend myself. It looks like Grant decides who gets in and who don't.
    >
    > Feel free to post the refusal of the membership to the thread that is
    > ongoing.
    >
    > Also, the guy who first posted ( black hawk8888 ) respond to his first
    > thread and tell him if he has not found an upper yet to call me and I will
    > build him a NEW Sabre 16" middy on a Sabre Defence receiver with RRA bolt
    > group and forged charging handle at no cost to him and he can decide for
    > himself if is a quality upper. Again, I pay for it all including shipping.

    >
    >

    Now for all those guys that hide behind the keyboards and that think that Paul is a sneaky or less than honest dealer....take note.

    He is offering black hawk 8888 a free Sabre upper and he can decide for himself the kind of company PK Firearms is.

    For those that may wonder, I am not now, nor have I ever been employed by PK Firearms.

    He is just a guy I met at the gun show many years ago and now value as a friend. If he could post here, he would defend himself.
    "Pick up a rifle and you change instantly from a subject to a citizen."--- Jeff Cooper

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    I bought my 16in Sabre upper from PK. I had a great experience with them, they were very helpfull. I ordered the upper on a Thursday and received it the following Tuesday. The quality is outstanding, and the finish matches my Sabre lower perfectly. I have around 1200 rounds through it including Wolf, UMC, and Federal all with no problems. I dont really shoot for groops but it hits where I aim. i have run 6 mags through as fast as i could and it didnt miss a beat. I wouldnt hesitate for a second to buy from them again.
    There is a fight, that began before any of us were ever born. It will continue, long after we have retired, moved on, and left this world. It is a fight for the soccer mom next door, your mailman, the guy that bags your groceries, and most importantly, it is a fight for your family. We are in a daily battle not for land, not for resources or colonial controls...we are in a fight for our very way of life

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