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I've seen several of the 16" 1/7 middy barrels from Talon Arms, every one has been a tack driver, and performed as well as you could expect to get out of M-193. Can't speak for the PK barrels. It would not surprise me if PK or Talon is getting some sort of quantity discount. In any case, until BCM barrels are available again, SDI will be my source for this type of barrel.Guys, does anybody know what the story is on the SDI barrels being sold by PK? I just got one, and I'm more than a little concerned after reading some of the comments on here.
Looking at Talon Arms website, it looks like they were selling what they call a 'special run' of the 16" middie barrels for $315 (special price). PK has the barrel for $329, so I figured it must be the same thing. Based on what you guys were saying about the pricing, these barrels must not be the standard SDI stuff. What in the world is going on?
Last edited by C4IGrant; 01-27-08 at 14:35.
If "Paul of PK" is watching, Grant has NOTHING to do with approving accounts. It is a shame that he would ASSume such things.![]()
His account was most likely refused because it looked like spam or he has another account on here already. Creating two accounts on here is generally looked down upon as people try and do bad things.
It is great that Paul would give someone an upper to play with. I would ask for a better BCG than the RRA though. Putting a RRA BCG into a SD barrel/upper, is kind of like putting general tires on your Ferrari. I find it odd that he just doesn't buy a SD BCG and include it, but what do I know.
And just to clear things up, I don't have any issue with PK. A member asked what was thought of the package deal and if the pricing was accurate. I looked at my dealer price sheet and simply stated that something didn't line up properly with the factory built SD uppers. I was of course correct.
C4
Last edited by C4IGrant; 01-27-08 at 14:45.
I think it's unfortunate that Grant said something to the effect that these barrels may not be up to the regular SDI standard without first checking with SDI or Talon. Talon and PK seem to do more business with Sabre than Grant, who doesn't have Sabre in his manufacturers menu, so it's quite possible that they get a different price sheet.
Unfortunate? Why would that be? I simply pulled up my dealer price sheet, looked at the middy uppers and then looked at the price. The math didn't line up (which is the same thing another SD dealer posted here as well).
The amount of business one does with SD has nothing to do with anying as SD only has ONE type of account (no distributors).
We have chosen to not stock SD barrels as they appear to be over priced IMHO and are not HPT/MP tested. They also could not fill ANY of our orders for barrels or uppers.
So to answer your question, no there is not two different price sheets. How companies are cutting cost is by buying stripped barrels and then putting them on what we consider ok at best or subpart upper receivers. They then offer a cheap BCG (like RRA) and sell them.
Last year, we stumbled onto this scheme. The reason I use the word scheme, is because not all the companies where CLEARLY stating that the uppers were not built at the SD factory and that not all the components were from SD either. This was brought to the attention of SD and that is when they decided to mark their uppers and were also supposed to mark their BCG (not sure if they have done this). The reason SD did this has already been stated in this thread.
These companies NOW do tell you that the "SD uppers" are not built with SD components or that you can add SD components for more money. What they are most likely still not telling you is that even if you buy a SD barrel with a SD upper, they are NOT assembled at the SD factory.
Before anyone gets butt hurt because they think I am talking about their favorite dealer, I SPECIFICALLY mentioned no names as there were SEVERAL dealers doing this and it is not my place to dime them out.
C4
I have no favorite dealers and I was referring to your post on the quality of the barrels only:
"Maybe SD did a special run of barrels at a discounted price. The price in my price sheet don't line up though.
Most likely these barrels are NOT HPT/MP tested. This would be one way to cut down on the cost."
That is one possible explanation, but why do you think it is the most likely one?
SD has (in the past) dumped barrels and cut the cost. It was simply a thought on as to why the cost was so low. After further review, I don't think that is the case. The dealers are simply using cheaper components and assembling the uppers themselves in order to cut the cost.
C4
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