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    Quote Originally Posted by K9-Bob View Post
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "M4Carbine.net Forums" <staff@m4carbine.net>
    > To: <sales@pkfirearms.com>
    > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 8:27 PM
    > Subject: Account removed at M4Carbine.net Forums!
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    >> Dear PK Firearms,
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    >> Unfortunately your registration at M4Carbine.net Forums did not meet our
    >> membership requirements. Therefore your registration was deleted.
    >>
    >> Sorry,
    >> M4Carbine.net Forums

    Here is a cut an paste email I received from Paul. He can't post a reply to defend himself, so I thought I would throw this out to the forum.

    Also here is what Paul sent me....

    > Bob
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    > I decided that with the second thread bashing me I should defend
    > myself, so I registered as a member to respond to the misinformation and
    > just received the following e-mail from them. I guess I am not allowed to
    > defend myself. It looks like Grant decides who gets in and who don't.
    >
    > Feel free to post the refusal of the membership to the thread that is
    > ongoing.
    >
    > Also, the guy who first posted ( black hawk8888 ) respond to his first
    > thread and tell him if he has not found an upper yet to call me and I will
    > build him a NEW Sabre 16" middy on a Sabre Defence receiver with RRA bolt
    > group and forged charging handle at no cost to him and he can decide for
    > himself if is a quality upper. Again, I pay for it all including shipping.

    >
    >

    Now for all those guys that hide behind the keyboards and that think that Paul is a sneaky or less than honest dealer....take note.

    He is offering black hawk 8888 a free Sabre upper and he can decide for himself the kind of company PK Firearms is.

    For those that may wonder, I am not now, nor have I ever been employed by PK Firearms.

    He is just a guy I met at the gun show many years ago and now value as a friend. If he could post here, he would defend himself.
    Bravo!
    You might think I had something against PK from my post above. But actually, I'm a very happy customer with them. Have bought several uppers and lowers from them. Never a problem.

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    Guys, does anybody know what the story is on the SDI barrels being sold by PK? I just got one, and I'm more than a little concerned after reading some of the comments on here.

    Looking at Talon Arms website, it looks like they were selling what they call a 'special run' of the 16" middie barrels for $315 (special price). PK has the barrel for $329, so I figured it must be the same thing. Based on what you guys were saying about the pricing, these barrels must not be the standard SDI stuff. What in the world is going on?
    I've seen several of the 16" 1/7 middy barrels from Talon Arms, every one has been a tack driver, and performed as well as you could expect to get out of M-193. Can't speak for the PK barrels. It would not surprise me if PK or Talon is getting some sort of quantity discount. In any case, until BCM barrels are available again, SDI will be my source for this type of barrel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Telperion View Post
    I thought SDI only did batch HPT/MP testing. Would they release a batch without any testing?
    They do batch MP (which means nothing by the way unless you HPT first).


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    Last edited by C4IGrant; 01-27-08 at 14:35.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K9-Bob View Post
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "M4Carbine.net Forums" <staff@m4carbine.net>
    > To: <sales@pkfirearms.com>
    > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 8:27 PM
    > Subject: Account removed at M4Carbine.net Forums!
    >
    >
    >> Dear PK Firearms,
    >>
    >> Unfortunately your registration at M4Carbine.net Forums did not meet our
    >> membership requirements. Therefore your registration was deleted.
    >>
    >> Sorry,
    >> M4Carbine.net Forums

    Here is a cut an paste email I received from Paul. He can't post a reply to defend himself, so I thought I would throw this out to the forum.

    Also here is what Paul sent me....

    > Bob
    >
    > I decided that with the second thread bashing me I should defend
    > myself, so I registered as a member to respond to the misinformation and
    > just received the following e-mail from them. I guess I am not allowed to
    > defend myself. It looks like Grant decides who gets in and who don't.
    >
    > Feel free to post the refusal of the membership to the thread that is
    > ongoing.
    >
    > Also, the guy who first posted ( black hawk8888 ) respond to his first
    > thread and tell him if he has not found an upper yet to call me and I will
    > build him a NEW Sabre 16" middy on a Sabre Defence receiver with RRA bolt
    > group and forged charging handle at no cost to him and he can decide for
    > himself if is a quality upper. Again, I pay for it all including shipping.

    >
    >

    Now for all those guys that hide behind the keyboards and that think that Paul is a sneaky or less than honest dealer....take note.

    He is offering black hawk 8888 a free Sabre upper and he can decide for himself the kind of company PK Firearms is.

    For those that may wonder, I am not now, nor have I ever been employed by PK Firearms.

    He is just a guy I met at the gun show many years ago and now value as a friend. If he could post here, he would defend himself.


    If "Paul of PK" is watching, Grant has NOTHING to do with approving accounts. It is a shame that he would ASSume such things.

    His account was most likely refused because it looked like spam or he has another account on here already. Creating two accounts on here is generally looked down upon as people try and do bad things.

    It is great that Paul would give someone an upper to play with. I would ask for a better BCG than the RRA though. Putting a RRA BCG into a SD barrel/upper, is kind of like putting general tires on your Ferrari. I find it odd that he just doesn't buy a SD BCG and include it, but what do I know.

    And just to clear things up, I don't have any issue with PK. A member asked what was thought of the package deal and if the pricing was accurate. I looked at my dealer price sheet and simply stated that something didn't line up properly with the factory built SD uppers. I was of course correct.


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    Last edited by C4IGrant; 01-27-08 at 14:45.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    They do batch MP (which means nothing by the way unless you HPT first).


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    Does Sabre HPT their barrels now too? The chart says they don't HPT OR MPI test them. If they do neither of those things, I'm stuck with a carbine length LMT or waiting til BCM decides to stock middies....

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    Quote Originally Posted by krichbaum View Post
    Guys, does anybody know what the story is on the SDI barrels being sold by PK? I just got one, and I'm more than a little concerned after reading some of the comments on here.

    Looking at Talon Arms website, it looks like they were selling what they call a 'special run' of the 16" middie barrels for $315 (special price). PK has the barrel for $329, so I figured it must be the same thing. Based on what you guys were saying about the pricing, these barrels must not be the standard SDI stuff. What in the world is going on?

    Man, I'm getting quite discouraged trying to get myself a 16" middie that I can count on for HD. After having problems with 'built' uppers, I decided to just put my own upper together with the parts I want. The barrel is proving to be a problem because I already had a different one with an issue, so I got the SDI from PK. Now it sounds like I still don't have what I wanted or thought I was getting.
    I think it's unfortunate that Grant said something to the effect that these barrels may not be up to the regular SDI standard without first checking with SDI or Talon. Talon and PK seem to do more business with Sabre than Grant, who doesn't have Sabre in his manufacturers menu, so it's quite possible that they get a different price sheet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by black_hawk8888 View Post
    Does Sabre HPT their barrels now too? The chart says they don't HPT OR MPI test them. If they do neither of those things, I'm stuck with a carbine length LMT or waiting til BCM decides to stock middies....

    Not to my knowledge. There were supposed to, but don't think they have started. Will talk to them at Shot about it though.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Telperion View Post
    I think it's unfortunate that Grant said something to the effect that these barrels may not be up to the regular SDI standard without first checking with SDI or Talon. Talon and PK seem to do more business with Sabre than Grant, who doesn't have Sabre in his manufacturers menu, so it's quite possible that they get a different price sheet.
    Unfortunate? Why would that be? I simply pulled up my dealer price sheet, looked at the middy uppers and then looked at the price. The math didn't line up (which is the same thing another SD dealer posted here as well).

    The amount of business one does with SD has nothing to do with anying as SD only has ONE type of account (no distributors).

    We have chosen to not stock SD barrels as they appear to be over priced IMHO and are not HPT/MP tested. They also could not fill ANY of our orders for barrels or uppers.

    So to answer your question, no there is not two different price sheets. How companies are cutting cost is by buying stripped barrels and then putting them on what we consider ok at best or subpart upper receivers. They then offer a cheap BCG (like RRA) and sell them.

    Last year, we stumbled onto this scheme. The reason I use the word scheme, is because not all the companies where CLEARLY stating that the uppers were not built at the SD factory and that not all the components were from SD either. This was brought to the attention of SD and that is when they decided to mark their uppers and were also supposed to mark their BCG (not sure if they have done this). The reason SD did this has already been stated in this thread.
    These companies NOW do tell you that the "SD uppers" are not built with SD components or that you can add SD components for more money. What they are most likely still not telling you is that even if you buy a SD barrel with a SD upper, they are NOT assembled at the SD factory.

    Before anyone gets butt hurt because they think I am talking about their favorite dealer, I SPECIFICALLY mentioned no names as there were SEVERAL dealers doing this and it is not my place to dime them out.


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    I have no favorite dealers and I was referring to your post on the quality of the barrels only:

    "Maybe SD did a special run of barrels at a discounted price. The price in my price sheet don't line up though.

    Most likely these barrels are NOT HPT/MP tested. This would be one way to cut down on the cost."

    That is one possible explanation, but why do you think it is the most likely one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Telperion View Post
    I have no favorite dealers and I was referring to your post on the quality of the barrels only:

    "Maybe SD did a special run of barrels at a discounted price. The price in my price sheet don't line up though.

    Most likely these barrels are NOT HPT/MP tested. This would be one way to cut down on the cost."

    That is one possible explanation, but why do you think it is the most likely one?

    SD has (in the past) dumped barrels and cut the cost. It was simply a thought on as to why the cost was so low. After further review, I don't think that is the case. The dealers are simply using cheaper components and assembling the uppers themselves in order to cut the cost.


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