movement during drills

[currahee]

A while back some friends and I were doing Teuler drills with airsoft. 21 feet away a guy starts running at you with a "knife" you have to react-draw and engage before he touches you.

We got into a discussion about whether (or not) to move during the draw. Obviously lateral or diagonal movement is good, but the counter argument for doing this in training is - "What if you are just getting out of your car, standing in the isle of a convenience store, or worse- have your child or wife next to you?" Point is, you want to move but sometimes you can't or shouldn't.

What should you practice?

I used to shoot a reactive drill where you would shoot a called target and move, or you could move first... move before or after the shot, a similar question.

Now we mostly shoot a figure 8 drill where you are moving already and react to an unknown target. - might need to come back to the older drill every once and a while.

Anyway, I was wondering what others might think about these concerns.

[QuackXP]

Why not both?

[currahee]

Why not both?

Both can certainly be done, but how do you divide up the time training? I'm looking for info on what other people do and their though processes on the subject.

[Guns-up.50]

"What if you are just getting out of your car, standing in the isle of a convenience store, or worse- have your child or wife next to you?" Point is, you want to move but sometimes you can't or shouldn't.

I always think it a good idea to create space between you and an attacker, but if the situation arose that I was cornered or my children were there, then no doubt I would need to go hand(s) on, during the draw and firing from retention. Simple drill requires no movement. On the other hand this is/would be a lot easier said than done, but all I would be doing is creating what little space I can to draw.

[Bluedreaux]

Just set up your training to mimic those scenarios. Set up chairs to simulate getting out of your car, barricades to look like a grocery aisle, get your wife out to the range to show her what to expect and practice moving her out of the way.

But realize that you can't build muscle memory for every possible scenario. You CAN develop a good understanding of the right concept and principles. If you do that, and have situational awareness, you'll be able to thrive in any environment.

[VooDoo6Actual]

Time & distance are your friends

The situation dictates as it is fluid, dynamic & evolving

Tueller drill has been expanded to 30 ft some years ago. Par time approx. 1.5 seconds etc.

SA is always the key for OODA to any of the following axioms. Here's some conceptual templates we use professionally in the industry.

1) Detect, Deter & React

2) Prepare, Prevent & Protect

3) Assess, Avoid, Survive (by any means necessary)

[Enoc]

Both can certainly be done, but how do you divide up the time training? I'm looking for info on what other people do and their though processes on the subject.

If the wife or kids are there then I am throwing them behind me or stepping in front them as I draw, other than that senario it is always good to be moving. As far as dividing up your training time... No one can say but you, I always try to practice things that I am not good at and things that make me uncomfortable when shooting especially under pressure. You make the rules when you train, foccuss on your weaknesses.

I would say the best tool for training is going to be a good training partner. Someone safe, who understands what you are trying to accomplish and helps you think and build creative situations for weird senarios that would put you at the disadvantage on the street. Most importantly, think about why you are doing what you are doing and what it is that you are trying to accomplish. Develope your own style.

[currahee]

If the wife or kids are there then I am throwing them behind me or stepping in front them as I draw, other than that senario it is always good to be moving. As far as dividing up your training time... No one can say but you, I always try to practice things that I am not good at and things that make me uncomfortable when shooting especially under pressure. You make the rules when you train, foccuss on your weaknesses.

I would say the best tool for training is going to be a good training partner. Someone safe, who understands what you are trying to accomplish and helps you think and build creative situations for weird senarios that would put you at the disadvantage on the street. Most importantly, think about why you are doing what you are doing and what it is that you are trying to accomplish. Develope your own style.

Could not agree more with that. I am very lucky to have a group of buddies that we kind of rotate through and train together... we read books, shoot matches, watch videos and occasionally get to classes then share.

[kmrtnsn]

....or worse- have your child or wife next to you?

No kids here. You must have the wrong wife, or I am very, very, fortunate. Me, I'm stepping laterally and giving her a clear field of fire as I draw and engage.

[Sabre07]

Both can certainly be done, but how do you divide up the time training? I'm looking for info on what other people do and their though processes on the subject.

If you have enough friends to have a discussion, you have enough friends to run the drill with all of the variables discussed. Your buddies could play the part of a loved-one or two. The number of reps is based on the amount of time you have to train. If you are running scenario based drills, then you are connecting the dots. Connecting the dots is where I want to get to when training. These connections- individual skills, situational awareness, identifying a crummy situation, reaction based on your variables- lead to increased chance of success in the real world. Your 12 rounds to center mass may not have the desired effect before the slasher gets to you, at that point you may have to deliver a strike or kick to move him off of the line of attack all the while keeping your family members shielded from the threat.