*Sigh* Noveske 10.5" questions...

**WS6** · 08-09-12, 19:52

Yes, sbr already in existance at the time of upper swapping.

I know noveske fits complete rifles, but has anyone had experience with random upper swaps using the vltor upper on a gen two lower? Will it still fit well, or is it likely to resemble the colts I have for rattle?

**mikeith** · 08-09-12, 20:28

I should be able I tell ya that in about 30-45 more days

I'm hoping it will be good and snug like a complete rifle though!

**Iraqgunz** · 08-09-12, 21:39

You are correct. This is a good reason why people should not talk to some ATF expert and then post it on the net. The answers may not always be the same and it will create more confusion with what is already known and in print.

Originally Posted by davidjinks

OP

A little clarification if you would please:

Are you asking in regards to a permanent change in length for your SBR? I.E. 12.5" to 10.5" permanently.

I was under the impression that you could attach any length upper to a SBR'ed lower and use it in whatever length configuration you wanted without submitting any new forms. The only time you submit a change in length is if it is permanent.

Anyone who is more versed on this I would appreciate clarification. I just went through this myself and was informed only if it's a perm change in barrel length.

**Iraqgunz** · 08-09-12, 21:40

You are wasting time worrying about nothing. Go shoot or do something. Don't worry about a little play.

Originally Posted by WS6

Yes, sbr already in existance at the time of upper swapping.

I know noveske fits complete rifles, but has anyone had experience with random upper swaps using the vltor upper on a gen two lower? Will it still fit well, or is it likely to resemble the colts I have for rattle?

**WS6** · 08-09-12, 22:54

Originally Posted by Iraqgunz

You are wasting time worrying about nothing. Go shoot or do something. Don't worry about a little play.

I understand. I just read a few threads about how some lowers/uppers fit, and some physically would not. I'm betting with the new Gen 2 receivers and Vltor making the uppers, though, that I don't have anything to worry about, and if I do, I believe Noveske uses different sized take-down pins to shore things up. I am betting that those could be purchased if I asked really nicely.

I'm with you, though, I think it's going to drop right on and be a non-issue, because no company that sells both uppers and lowers separately has time to dick around with customers constantly complaining about uppers not fitting. It's probably similar to the "AAC mount and can shoots loose" deal. It happened "on the internet" to a few people, and that's out of thousands.

Still, I asked.

**WS6** · 08-09-12, 22:56

Originally Posted by Iraqgunz

You are correct. This is a good reason why people should not talk to some ATF expert and then post it on the net. The answers may not always be the same and it will create more confusion with what is already known and in print.

...and this is what really irritates the hell out of me. These are laws that can really piss in your cheerio's, and yet I don't even know what they are, how they are enforced, etc. because I get a different story every time I call the ATF, every time I speak to a Class III dealer, every time I read "the internet".

I'm beginning to think that as long as I do my damnedest using common sense to follow the guidelines, properly Form 4 all of my NFA stuff, and don't rob any 7/11's, I am going to do just fine, because it's so subject to interpretation that they can hang you or smile at you depending on which way the wind blows almost.

**stifled** · 08-10-12, 12:01

I have had a 10.5" Noveske rifle with the Vltor upper all from them since February. I have around 800 rounds through it, mostly Wolf. I have had exactly 0 malfunctions, except one issue I traced to needing to rebuild a magazine, which cleared it up right away.

Oh, and yea, a little play between an upper and lower doesn't affect anything. One that's too tight of a fit is much more annoying.

**tepin** · 08-11-12, 12:42

I have the 10.5 CQB 5.56mm W/VIS & Switchblock. I have not shot it yet but I bought it because of the Noveske reputation. If it didn't work they wouldn't sell it. Their upper is a perfect match with my Palmetto State Armory lower.

**tepin** · 08-11-12, 12:55

Just FYI: My Noveske upper and Palmetto lower are tight... no movement at all.

**floyd** · 08-13-12, 11:07

I have two noveske 10.5s. Both have standard non MUR uppers no switch blocks, both supressed and ran on a colt m16a2 full auto. I use an H2 buffer with standard spring, no malfunctions except a string of them, once, when I put a combo of a MIG buffer and "light reloads" through it, not supressed at that time. Changing the buffer back to H2 fixed the problem.
Both fit loose on my A2 lower, but; the noveske/Mur uppers I have fit the same A2 lower snug without play.
I never shoot my 12.5 ss noveske full auto, but, I don't notice any difference between the 10.5 vs 12.5. The 12.5 is 8x scoped so the are not set up the same anyway.
A quick look at my 556212 supressor and standard flash hiders dont show much errosion. I've only had the supressor for 6 wks and have put about 500 rounds through it mostly 2 to 20 round burst full auto.