Presentation from the Holster

**Shadow1198** · 08-14-12, 18:35

Originally Posted by Ed L.

Groundbreaking?

I don't think so, at least not in regard to the drawstroke.

I can't trace the history to the actual person who originated it, but I have a DVD of Kelly McCann (Jim Grover) in the early 1990s teaching a similar drawstroke.

Read my mind. In fact, I think I remember watching that back in the day on VHS if that's any indicator of the groundbreaking-ness going on.

For ****'s sake, want to simplify it? Lets call it grip and rip, straight up and straight out. This is a poor way to represent and advertise a business IMO. It's shit like this that's the reason I don't support companies like Frog Lube. Stop trying to hard sell us, we're not idiots. Good shit sells itself.

**theblackknight** · 08-14-12, 18:36

Actually, from a marketing standpoint, this is brilliant,groundbreaking even. Mix and repackage some previously good idea's and methods into your own new one, give it a new name and maybe a couple cool sounding industry specific buzzwords, then claim no other product is like it. Then get some of those who jump on your wagon to buy into the franchise, which is exclusive and needs visibility. Training in this brand new method isnt cheap, but no good thing is! After that, the people who buy into your new method will be impressed and, defend and even scoff at anyone who dosent train in the one true method. You now have a staff of crusading instructors and converts spreading the good word of simple draws and craning your neck to dodge incoming fire. You might even reach a point to were you only teach possible instructors, if that! I'm not sure I've ever seen anything like this.

Oh wait

**orionz06** · 08-14-12, 19:16

Originally Posted by theblackknight

Actually, from a marketing standpoint, this is brilliant,groundbreaking even. Mix and repackage some previously good idea's and methods into your own new one, give it a new name and maybe a couple cool sounding industry specific buzzwords, then claim no other product is like it. Then get some of those who jump on your wagon to buy into the franchise, which is exclusive and needs visibility. Training in this brand new method isnt cheap, but no good thing is! After that, the people who buy into your new method will be impressed and, defend and even scoff at anyone who dosent train in the one true method. You now have a staff of crusading instructors and converts spreading the good word of simple draws and craning your neck to dodge incoming fire. You might even reach a point to were you only teach possible instructors, if that! I'm not sure I've ever seen anything like this.

Oh wait

What if we could just rebrand a rebrand with our own rebrand?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOg25HlBNiU

**The Virus** · 08-14-12, 19:31

These guys are snake oil salesmen.
One of the "instructors" was in a course with me 6 months ago and was flagged 3 times for safety, could not zero his long gun, could not hit a 8" target from 7 yds with his handgun, failed to follow commands on multiple occasions, this was 6 months ago and now this guy is a CFS certified instructor?

CFS teaches marketing and sales to there instructors. The instructors do not shoot demos during the classes.

They sell franchises.

Disclaimer , the person to whom I'm reffering was not a CFS instructor at the time of the course.

**NCPatrolAR** · 08-14-12, 19:36

Guys:

Its ok to tear apart someone's presented material, videos, etc but please do so without any personal insults

**theblackknight** · 08-14-12, 19:45

Dang, I was just about to junk on that vids choice of musical artist being a pants shitting, chickenhawk draft dodger.

What if we could just rebrand a rebrand with our own rebrand?

That's a rank up to at least Sergeant Majoperator of the internet.

**SOWT** · 08-14-12, 19:59

Originally Posted by M4Guru

I'm glad a guy with no combat experience developed the one and only absolute way to conduct gunhandling in combat. Just last week I invented the only way to conduct cardio thoracic surgery, without even being a doctor, so I can respect that....

Get out there, try new things, glean things from people with more or different experience. Roll it into what works, not what one guy says works. If you're gonna subscribe to hero worship, at least worship a real hero. Just a little advice from someone who's been continually ****ing up for a long time and learned some things about absolutes along the way. Best of luck to you and your company.

Your profile here doesn't list any LEO or Military Experience. Would you mind telling where your weapons combative experience came from?

Only one pistol battle under my belt, so I won't claim to be an expert; I will say there is no "best" technique as each shooter reacts to training differently, and that is one reason why we have different successful techniques.

**RamZar** · 08-14-12, 20:11