
Originally Posted by
Phila PD
Please don't take this as Phila PD is trying to be a jerk off and is flaming Iraqgunz but I think I have a valid question which can affect many who wish to obtain "Certification" on the AR platform thur one of Iraqgunz courses.
Iraqgunz after reading your posted statement of,
Instructor Bio: This course will be taught by a veteran of both the U.S Army and U.S Coast Guard who has over 20 years of experience using the AR15 family of weapons. Having completed a deployment to the Middle East in support of operations Iraqi and Enduring Freedom in 2005, he entered into the private sector working in Iraq and Afghanistan as an armorer/ instructor for several large private military companies supporting the Department of Defense and the Department of State. He has attended and completed numerous factory armorer courses from such companies as Beretta, Barrett, Colt, Dillon Aero, FNHUSA, Glock, Knights’ Armament, Remington, and SigSauer
I have to ask does any manufacturer such as Colt, FN, SigSauer, etc. recognize and authorize you or your company to conduct armors courses and provide official certification in their names once the course is successfully completed?
Without such factory/manufacturer authorization then any certification you offered would not be "Official" and rejected by any reputable employer for those students seeking official accreditation for employment purposes.
While I hold several factory trained armorers certifications none allow me to teach and provide certification in the manufacturers name.
So in closing what weight would a "Certification" issued by your course hold if measured against factory/manufacturer certification?

Originally Posted by
Iraqgunz
Why should other companies be able to dictate what another teaches? This class is designed for those who can't attend the others. I am not teaching Colts curriculum nor do I care what they think. I recently sat through my 4thAAC recert through Colt and it was terrible. The instructor was still telling people to stagger gas rings and to use light lube on the BCG.
But the question still stands as to what merit your "Certification" has in the real world for those who wish to use it as a form of "Official" training/certification for professional reasons such as working for a manufacturer as one member stated or repairing L/E rifles in a armory as another suggested.
There is a reason why AR manufactures usually have authorized factory certified persons training new armorers for the reason of liability.
For example if I repair a Colt AR according to Colts procedures and the rifle takes a shit and some one is injured I can show in a court if I was arrested or sued that I was trained by a certified Colt AR armorer who was authorized to train me. I used prudent care and caution as directed and taught by Colt and as long as I did not do some thing stupid procedure wise I would most likely prevail.
On the other hand I have a certification from a secondary individual who is not authorized to train me in the repair of any manufacture of AR rifle and the same situation occurs and I end up in court. I subpoena my trainer to court and if he showed most likely would be chewed apart on the stand as the prosecution would most certainly use Official Colt AR armorer trainers to state my secondary certification is worthless in their eyes and my trainer was not authorized to certify me. I can see a very bad out come for me if I were to go this route.
Iraqgunz I have said in the past that I have absolutely "NO" issue with you personally but the folks who are going to pay $400.00 for a certification course should known that the certificate they will receive would be more symbolic in nature then official.
We are all inclined to judge ourselves by our ideals; others, by their acts.
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