View Poll Results: Would You Pay For An AR15 Armorer Course?

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  • No. There is no need for civilians to learn this.

    7 1.83%
  • No. I would rather spend the money on accessories.

    9 2.35%
  • Yes, but it depends on cost and location.

    343 89.56%
  • Yes, I would no matter what.

    24 6.27%
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  1. #151
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    I think the class is a great idea. I voted no as a joke for those who are wondering.

    I think I was stupider for going to XXXX's class years ago, and Ken Elmore's class was really the only option for folks looking to actually learn stuff on the M16FOW at the time I learned later. That said he does not do open classes, but is well worth it for those who can go (not to take away from IG, but just as a comment for those looking for a Colt Cert - at least I think SAW can still do Colt cert's, for a while he was the only one doing that for Colt after folks complained their course was sadly lacking).

    IG has a great core competency, and I think everyone will gain from attending. He has a wealth of experience with many different M16FOW's and knows many pitfalls of certain models.

    WRT to the issue of a Manufacturer 'accepting' someone else's credentials - forget it. But frankly as soon as you modify the gun from the stock configuration, which honestly now if you really admit it, very few guns are left stock, at least personal purchase guns.

    For certain systems obviously a specific manufacture Armorer cert is required, systems like the Hk416, FN SCAR etc that are different than the M16FOW, and some models have different takes on a thread, but nearly all of the principles of a DI AR at the same. The Company that issues a certificate will bear the responsibility of any issues with their certified armorer, so you can be sure they have liability insurance.

    Pinning on a gas block is no easy feat without the proper tools -- trust me this is not a armorer job, but more of a machinist.

    Carrier keys are easy - often ignored, but takes maybe 5 min of instruction to explain how to remove, and re-install.

    IG, I think 15 folks in Central Fl would take one, I was going to teach one, but corporately that is a no-no for me to do.
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    I just came back from a 1 day armorer's course in SoCal that was held yesterday (08/27/12). The course itself was good but most of the material was geared towards someone "newer" to the AR. I had hoped to dive more into the realm of removing/installing barrels, learning correct torque values, how to use the correct tools to check head spacing, etc. A majority of the information, if not all, was stuff I learned using the "orange" search button above. I did learn one neat trick for installing the FCG


    IG, I hope your courses go well (which I think we all know will). If you ever host a class in San Diego or the LA area, I would be willing to attend. I have a feeling that the material I was looking for will be taught and practiced in your armorers course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KevinB View Post
    IG, I think 15 folks in Central Fl would take one, I was going to teach one, but corporately that is a no-no for me to do.
    Agreed. I think one in the general Orlando area, or even up in my neck of the woods around Jacksonville would fill up with no problem.
    Steve

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    Since there was no close option for this in the poll, I'd only pay for some sort of certification (Colt does this, no?) but so far it's been a little out of reach for financial, geographic and scheduling restrictions.

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    I would depending on where it was, how long it lasted (1 day 2 days etc?) and if the certification received had some kind of recognized affiliation. Many manufacturers offer their own armorer certification, but having a generic one wouldn't be a bad thing.
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    I read the 1st 2 pages, then jumped to the last page (currently 8th), so I am sure I missed it. Any news on a training in the North Illinois, South Wisconsin areas?
    -Thomas

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    The certificate is issued by Sionics. If you read through the other pages and pay attention to what Grant and a few others stated, the recognition of it by another company/entity is arbitrary.

    If you want to learn how to fix the weapon, diagnose issues and other stuff this is for you.

    Quote Originally Posted by CGS View Post
    I would depending on where it was, how long it lasted (1 day 2 days etc?) and if the certification received had some kind of recognized affiliation. Many manufacturers offer their own armorer certification, but having a generic one wouldn't be a bad thing.



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    I am currently near Milwaukee and am trying to set up a class here locally or near you.

    Quote Originally Posted by CGS View Post
    I read the 1st 2 pages, then jumped to the last page (currently 8th), so I am sure I missed it. Any news on a training in the North Illinois, South Wisconsin areas?



    Owner/Instructor at Semper Paratus Arms

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    Semper Paratus Arms AR15 Armorer Course http://www.semperparatusarms.com/cou...-registration/

    M4C Misc. Training and Course Announcements- http://www.m4carbine.net/forumdisplay.php?f=141

    Master Armorer/R&D at SIONICS Weapon Systems- http://sionicsweaponsystems.com

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    I would be game! I am in N. IL and about 2 hours from the Milwaukee area. I would come up for a class unless you hold one here.

    David
    Last edited by dtibbals; 08-27-12 at 23:18.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    I am currently near Milwaukee and am trying to set up a class here locally or near you.
    Boom. That's what I've been waiting to hear.

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