NYPD 124gr Gold Dot vs Gunman Video

[200RNL]

Incident at Empire State Building. Scroll Down for Video of Gunfight.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/m...wDQf7r8qSKX3yO

[HuttoAg96]

Cop on the right in the video was returning fire with one hand for no good reason. I've heard that happens but I've never actually seen footage of it before.

[Microalign]

Cop on the right in the video was returning fire with one hand for no good reason. I've heard that happens but I've never actually seen footage of it before.

Close range instinctual reaction. Something about the stress of CQC can compel a shooter to keep one hand free for defensive grappling.

[Ironman8]

Cop on the right in the video was returning fire with one hand for no good reason. I've heard that happens but I've never actually seen footage of it before.

I know this probably won't come through clearly in a post, but...

There are times where one handed shooting is necessary...ie. very close range where diagonal movement TOWARD and to the threat's flank is necessary.

Since the officer went diagonal and AWAY, it can go either way...depending on his training. It seems he made good hits, so good for him on getting the job done.

Just remember, there's never ONE way to do any particular thing.

[200RNL]

Possible malfunction of gunman's firearm? Slide appears to be back slightly.

[Nephrology]

I know this probably won't come through clearly in a post, but...

There are times where one handed shooting is necessary...ie. very close range where diagonal movement TOWARD and to the threat's flank is necessary.

Since the officer went diagonal and AWAY, it can go either way...depending on his training. It seems he made good hits, so good for him on getting the job done.

Just remember, there's never ONE way to do any particular thing.

Yeah, he made great hits....on the bystanders. All 9 of them.

[Texas42]

Lots of peole around.

Not really any good angles.

[tpd223]

Yeah, he made great hits....on the bystanders. All 9 of them.

How about you get complete information before making jackassery type comments?

My sources tell me that almost all of the people "shot" were hit with concrete debris or frag from the bullets.

You ever been on a range with steel targets and catch a piece of jacket? Then you too have been "shot".

[WillBrink]

Yeah, he made great hits....on the bystanders. All 9 of them.

Page 1, and cop bashing in full swing.

[Nephrology]

Page 1, and cop bashing in full swing.

I have nothing against LEOs as a whole. Some of my very good friends are in law enforcement. But please don't tell me that you think 9 injured civilians is an acceptable outcome given the circumstances, and there is nothing they could have done to improve their hit % and minimize collateral damage.

Be honest. Do you think officer #2, drawing and firing one handed only, has done much shooting outside his annual qual?

How about you get complete information before making jackassery type comments?

My sources tell me that almost all of the people "shot" were hit with concrete debris or frag from the bullets.

You even been on a range with steel targets and catch a piece of jacket? Then you too have been "shot".

Commissioner Kelly reported that at least 3 of the 9 are still hospitalized as of today. That does not result from ricochet.

edit: Here is my source and a succinct quote-

"Three passersby sustained direct gunshot wounds, while the remaining six were hit by fragments, according to New York Police Commissioner Ray Kelly. All injuries were caused by police, he said Saturday."

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/25/justic...ing/index.html


To clarify right now before this becomes an emotion-driven argument that I have no interest in taking part in -

Did the officers do the best they could have in the circumstances? Yes. Could those circumstances have been improved with more training? Probably. Are they bad officers for hitting bystanders? No. Could it have been avoided? Possibly. At the very least, NYPD should take a hard look at their firearms training and annual qualification standards and see if this could have ended differently with revised protocol.