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    Quote Originally Posted by cody0341 View Post
    I have been looking at some threads and it doesn't seem like anyone likes DPMS. I'm not trying to start a words war, I just want to know what's the beef with DPMS?
    Can you tell us what is good about DPMS?


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    Quote Originally Posted by cody0341 View Post
    Well I started the post so I guess I should put something. I have 2 DPMS rifles, one is the 308 LR-308AP4. I have shot about 2500 rounds with it and the only thing that has ever happened with it is the bolt didn't completely catch the round. The reason for that was I didn't push the mag all the way up(sounds stupid I know).My seconds DPMS is a 55.6 AP4 Carbine, I have shot around 2000 rounds with it and have yet to have ANY problem with it. I know everyone is going to ask if I have really put the guns to the test. I have, Rapid fire, not cleaned them, different loads and they have always fired just fine for me. So in my eyes I don't think they are as bad as everyone is saying, but that's just me.

    Your round count is low and was most likely shot over 1+ years. Take some carbine schools and report back when you have 5-6K through them.


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    in this same forum is a user who can't get a KAC M4 RAS to install on his DPMS AP4 without "modification" from his gunsmith... that alone is enough reason for me to avoid them...

    Here's the pricelist from my latest AR build (taking advantage of sales, which if you are saving up for a year is plenty of time to find something similar):
    LMT 16" Upper Receiver - $389
    LMT FA BCG - $100
    LMT BUIS - $80
    Stag Lower - $90
    Stag LPK - $60
    Magpul CTR Stock Kit OD - $140
    Magpul MIAD Kit OD - $40
    Magpul Winter Trigger Guard - $20
    Magpul PMAG OD - $15
    CMT Charging Handle - $0 (parts box)
    CavArms Handguards OD - $20

    Grand Total: $954

    $155 over the DPMS AP4 gets me:
    1/7 Twist
    chromelined barrel and chamber
    5.56mm NATO chamber
    HPT/MPI tested bolt and barrel
    properly staked gas key
    correct F height FSB
    carbine extractor spring and crane o-ring
    upgraded stock, grip, and trigger guard.
    optics compatible rear sights

    if for the sake of argument i used a standard M4 stock (-$60), A2 grip (-$30), standard trigger guard (-$20), and a detachable carry handle (-$35), the total price drops to $809, a $10 difference from the DPMS A4.

    And I looked, and behold a pale horse and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him.

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    I have had the opportunity to handle, disassemble, and reassemble some DPMS' and have seen some substandard things. I bought a Bushy simply because I got a smoking deal from a dealer who gives LE a great discount, and it was what I could afford at the time. This dealer who has been praised in the LE community, and even on here, speaks pretty well of Bushmaster. Considering he used to work for HK that says something. I don't have a high round count yet. But I am sure I will have an issue or three come up. I am already looking to buy a better weapon or at least parts to build a better AR. I am hoping my agency will work something out with getting HK 416 uppers(even if we as SERT members have to pay), and I will buy an LMT, or comparable lower. So I kinda understand the buy what you can afford statement. But, for me to own a DPMS I would have had to pay $600 or less. Now everyone can start the Bushy bashing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    Your round count is low and was most likely shot over 1+ years. Take some carbine schools and report back when you have 5-6K through them.


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    Grant,
    So whats the round count on the ADS's? How hard have they been worked?


    As a new comer to the AR world their pricing may be a lead in. What do you think?

    It will be interesting to see how they do.

    You asked....What's good about DPMS? Well..........their marketing is great....It seems I can't visit a gun store without someone asking about them. Seems they have lots of satified customer too.......

    I have one DPMS, a AP4 .308. It shoots right out of the box. I had 10 cases of .308 SA when I bought it and have less then 4 cases left. It has yet to malfunction, I can't say that about all 5 of the AR10s Ive owned & sold............

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    Quote Originally Posted by 556 View Post
    Grant,
    So whats the round count on the ADS's? How hard have they been worked?


    As a new comer to the AR world their pricing may be a lead in. What do you think?

    It will be interesting to see how they do.

    You asked....What's good about DPMS? Well..........their marketing is great....It seems I can't visit a gun store without someone asking about them. Seems they have lots of satified customer too.......

    I have one DPMS, a AP4 .308. It shoots right out of the box. I had 10 cases of .308 SA when I bought it and have less then 4 cases left. It has yet to malfunction, I can't say that about all 5 of the AR10s Ive owned & sold............
    I have about 500rds through it so far.

    You can really tell a lot about an AR by how it is assembled and where they buy their components. This is why ADS is such a winner, everything on the weapon is quality.

    Their marketing is great? Do you believe what politicians tell you as well?

    I know of no serious shooter that likes DPMS. I do know of a lot of safe queens that think they are the "best."

    Their 308s are better than their baseline AR's IMHO.

    Here is a little clue about AR's. If your AR has NEVER had a malfunction, then you have not pushed it hard enough. Point being that EVERY AR that I have ever owned (including the high dollar ones that we build for ourselves and take to training classes) has had a malfunction at some time.



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    Right now I can think of one thing that I actually like about DPMS. The thing I like is that they support USPSA, 3gun and some other shooting sports.

    Other than that I find their stripped lowers acceptable. Everything else is questionable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    I have about 500rds through it so far.

    You can really tell a lot about an AR by how it is assembled and where they buy their components. This is why ADS is such a winner, everything on the weapon is quality.

    There marketing is great? Do you believe what politicians tell you as well?

    I know of no serious shooter that likes DPMS. I do know of a lot of safe queens that think they are the "best."

    Their 308s are better than their baseline AR's IMHO.

    Here is a little clue about AR's. If your AR has NEVER had a malfunction, then you have not pushed it hard enough. Point being that EVERY AR that I have ever owned (including the high dollar ones that we build for ourselves and take to training classes) has had a malfunction at some time.



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    LOL
    Someone believes the Politicians, look at the mess we are in....

    You wanted to know something good about DPMS so I gave you one.

    You are right on the AR's malfunction bit....I don't run my DPMS hard but I never ran any of my AR 10s hard either. And YES the DPMS has not malfuctioned yet!!! I do run several of my other weapons quite hard.

    I never said I liked DPMS but I don't hate them and dismiss them as useless. Heck I even own one.

    How many classes does one have to take to be a serious shooter? Does a "M" on several shooting organizations classification cards count? Does hunting in some of the harshes conditions with an AR count?

    With that all said I learn a lot from all you folks here. I know very little compared to many of you.

    I respect your thoughts on the ADS's.

    I won't sell my DPMS AP4 .308 though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 556 View Post
    LOL
    Someone believes the Politicians, look at the mess we are in....

    You wanted to know something good about DPMS so I gave you one.

    You are right on the AR's malfunction bit....I don't run my DPMS hard but I never ran any of my AR 10s hard either. And YES the DPMS has not malfuctioned yet!!! I do run several of my other weapons quite hard.

    I never said I liked DPMS but I don't hate them and dismiss them as useless. Heck I even own one.

    How many classes does one have to take to be a serious shooter? Does a "M" on several shooting organizations classification cards count? Does hunting in some of the harshes conditions with an AR count?

    With that all said I learn a lot from all you folks here. I know very little compared to many of you.

    I respect your thoughts on the ADS's.

    I won't sell my DPMS AP4 .308 though.
    Run your DPMS AR10 hard, and see if it is 100% relible.

    I personally do not hate anything, I just cannot recommend DPMS to anyone that is serious about shooting and protecting ones life with a firearm.

    A serious shooter is usually defined by the following:

    1. Military HSLD type
    2. LE/SWAT (that trains a lot)
    3. Civy that is defensive minded and trains a lot

    No one asked you to sell your DPMS and in all honesty, you most likely have one of the best AR10's out there.


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    No offense to original poster, but I wished this site could avoid such conversations as these that keep coming up over and over in recent months. There are different tiers of weapons manufacturers, we know that. We don't have to have a thread/day of "Why does everyone hate Bushmaster?" "What's wrong with Olyies?". This site should be a cut above TOS, and I guess I feel that this site should not have the countless over and over again posting of topics listed above. I know I will sound like an a$$ saying this, and I don't mean too, but lets stay on topics that we can actually learn something from. I think that if one comes to this site, they need to read and search for at least a month, soak up that knowledge that others who know have taken the time to post, then ask your questions.

    To the original poster, I am not picking on just you, so don't take it personal.

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