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    I was suprised to find out just how many companies make AR's. It seems like a new outfit pops up every week. The first time I saw a LMT on Gunbroker (several years ago) my first thought was who are these guys. I thought Colt, Bushmaster, and RR were the big names you always hear in LE in my area. Luckily I ask questions. But a lot of LEO agencies in my area that have bought AR's have bought Bushmaster. I now find myself wondering why since Bushmaster seems to be less than mediocre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noslorob View Post
    I was suprised to find out just how many companies make AR's. It seems like a new outfit pops up every week. The first time I saw a LMT on Gunbroker (several years ago) my first thought was who are these guys. I thought Colt, Bushmaster, and RR were the big names you always hear in LE in my area. Luckily I ask questions. But a lot of LEO agencies in my area that have bought AR's have bought Bushmaster. I now find myself wondering why since Bushmaster seems to be less than mediocre.
    They buy Bushmasters because someone in accounting makes the decision on what partol rifle should be issued. Bean counters have no idea of what is best.

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    I think most likely the bean counters want to get the largest quantity of the best rifle that can fit into there budget. Theory being 100 Bushmasters in the hands of officers vs. 70 more exspensive brand rifles in the hands of officers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noslorob View Post
    I think most likely the bean counters want to get the largest quantity of the best rifle that can fit into there budget. Theory being 100 Bushmasters in the hands of officers vs. 70 more exspensive brand rifles in the hands of officers.
    Then figure out the cost of replacement parts that will need to be bought, when the non-MPI bolts go to breaking and Gas keys come loose, or when the rifle Ka-booms from having a 5.56mm shot out of a .223 chamber, among other things that could have been prevented by buying a better brand. The cost per rifle for a department purchase will not be that significant between brands for the department to justify the cost of fixing the lesser quality guns in the long run. Departments don't pay what you or I pay for these rifles.

    I'd hate to know that I took part in buying just 1 rifle for an officer that might go down on him when he needed it most, no matter what.

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    Another thing to keep in mind is that LE rifles don't get run hard. At all. SWAT is different but patrol rifles don't see much action. Non-milspec is probably fine for them (hate to say it....)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thekatar View Post
    Another thing to keep in mind is that LE rifles don't get run hard. At all. SWAT is different but patrol rifles don't see much action. Non-milspec is probably fine for them (hate to say it....)
    Very true. Our patrol guys that carry rifles usually shoot 100 rounds a year to qualify and thats it. But our agency doesn't buy rifles for you. We have 25-30 Viet Nam era M-16's that are on loan from Uncle Sam, and a handful of M-14's.

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    I found it! Skintop was the author. I have a printout of this review in my nightstand that I occasionally run across and read. I didn't print the author though!

    Some interesting observations on the DPMS rifles.

    https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=7625
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    Quote Originally Posted by demigod View Post
    I found it! Skintop was the author. I have a printout of this review in my nightstand that I occasionally run across and read. I didn't print the author though!

    Some interesting observations on the DPMS rifles.

    https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=7625
    mark, you can lead a horse to water....

    i was at an action shoot a month ago, and they were planning on doing a carbine shoot... of course my ears perked up... immediately it started with some "ex-USMC NRA instructor" bashing Colt and singing the praises of lower end DPMS and Olympic rifles... his argument was although you might see more issues they are cheaper, and if they keep the round count low in each stage of the match, it should keep malfunctions to a minimum.

    i stayed home that day.
    And I looked, and behold a pale horse and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellbound View Post
    his argument was although you might see more issues they are cheaper, and if they keep the round count low in each stage of the match, it should keep malfunctions to a minimum.
    That's SOME logic!
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    Quote Originally Posted by gotm4 View Post
    Right now I can think of one thing that I actually like about DPMS. The thing I like is that they support USPSA, 3gun and some other shooting sports.

    Other than that I find their stripped lowers acceptable. Everything else is questionable.
    Good point Robb! Support for shooting is HUGE in my book and DPMS does not have to support us (for example, Kimber won't give a dime to us or IDPA).

    I don't doubt the problems you saw at all though - you see far more AR products up close than I ever will - AND I don't own a DPMS rifle.

    The one product from them I do own is a slick-side upper I bought to mill for a side-charging handle from Fultom Armory out of Maryland (its the one pictured in the competition section of m4carbine.net - thanks for the fame!).

    While it works well, I found out the hard way that some if not all DPMS uppers will not fit in the normal AR-15 upper receiver holding blocks; this is not really a defect per se; its just that the DPMS uppers are larger. Don't make the mistake I did & expect it to fit.

    Luckily, the flat top DPMS upper could be clamped in an aluminum lined mill vice. The price was right.

    There are some 3gunners who are happy with the accuracy that they are getting with RECENT manufacture DPMS barrels; I don't think any of them said who's bolt, carrier, or upper they are using.

    For the money though, I'd likely buy an Armalite barrel before I risked a DPMS or an Oly.

    BTW, anyone notice that both DPMS and Bushmaster are now owned by Cerberus? Any chnce they will merge?

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