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    DPMS

    As a gunsmith I have had several beefs with DPMS over the years.
    The first incident involved a stripped receiver I bought about 5 years ago. The bolt stop pin hole was drilled crooked. I mean way off. I called them about the problem and they pretty much laughed at me. The person on the phone had no interest in any type of factory support.
    The second incident involved a .308 I ordered for a friend of mine. It was equipped with a crooked free float tube which had hard contact with the gas block. Again, the factory had no interest in helping my friend. We removed the tube and machined it a bit shorter on the lathe to provide clearance.
    The third incident involved the same .308. The plastic magazines were crap. If you touched the plastic mag at all while firing the gun jammed. The factory claimed that steel mags were on the verge of release and the new mags would solve the problem. It took two years for new mags to hit the market.
    Another incident involves their 7.62x39 rifles. They know the plastic mags supplied with the rifles don't work but they continue to sell the rifles and shrug off complaints.
    I won't say I have never used any DPMS parts but any company that won't back up their products with customer service won't get my recommendation or respect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TY44934 View Post

    BTW, anyone notice that both DPMS and Bushmaster are now owned by Cerberus? Any chnce they will merge?

    Don't forget that Cerberus also owns Remington Arms now. My only experience with DPMS is a flat top upper that fit fine on my old OLY/SGW lower reciever. That gun has been run hard by me over the years, keeping up on my drills on my own dime between deployments and been 100% reliabile with 5.56mm (the M261 .22LR conversion kit was another problem)

    CD

    By the way let me introduce myself. I've been reading here for over a month now and post on several other gun sites with same name. I just retired from over 24 yrs of Special Forces service with the Army

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    Quote Originally Posted by Combat_Diver View Post
    *SNIP*
    CD

    By the way let me introduce myself. I've been reading here for over a month now and post on several other gun sites with same name. I just retired from over 24 yrs of Special Forces service with the Army
    Thank you for your service! ( and welcome to the forum )

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911nm View Post
    The bolt stop pin hole was drilled crooked.
    Are you referring to the bolt catch pin hole in the lower receiver?

    I am not being nit-picky about terminology here, just making sure I understand what you are talking about.
    Jack Leuba
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    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    Are you referring to the bolt catch pin hole in the lower receiver?

    I am not being nit-picky about terminology here, just making sure I understand what you are talking about.
    Yes. You know what I meant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    Take all that has been written here and think about the following:

    The closest thing DPMS makes to an entry-level M4gery is the AP4, which prices on Impact Guns at $799. This comes complete with (2) 30 round mags, cleaning kit, sling, substandard parts and questionable assembly.

    G&R Tactical sells the ADS (link to thread) for $825. This comes complete with a hard case, D&H Magazine, check-up by Grant, properly tested parts, proper staking, and black extractor buffer.

    $26 isn't much for that kind of service, and that much of a step up in quality. But hey, that's just me.
    That's good advice. If only this forum was required reading before making an AR purchase. The problem is that most people are not here reading, and our local gun shops are stocked full of low end AR's being pushed by dealers who either don't know or don't care.

    But you're right - there is no reason for the informed AR buyer to purchase anything substandard - good deals on good AR's are out there if you know where to look.

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    Thanks for the INFO on this.

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    Hootie,

    You nailed it on the head. I see this over here all the time. Bean counters count money that's it. Most have no weapons knowledge or practical knowledge of what is needed in the field. Ideally if I was running the show I would change things like gas rings, gas tubes, etc...before they break or cause problems. That is called preventative maintenance. All they see is the initial cost of a good weapon and the not what it will save in the long run. So then the cutting begins. Unfortunately the price that is paid down the road in replacement parts or the life of an officer, service member or whatever who is killed because of that crap is much higher.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hootiewho View Post
    Then figure out the cost of replacement parts that will need to be bought, when the non-MPI bolts go to breaking and Gas keys come loose, or when the rifle Ka-booms from having a 5.56mm shot out of a .223 chamber, among other things that could have been prevented by buying a better brand. The cost per rifle for a department purchase will not be that significant between brands for the department to justify the cost of fixing the lesser quality guns in the long run. Departments don't pay what you or I pay for these rifles.

    I'd hate to know that I took part in buying just 1 rifle for an officer that might go down on him when he needed it most, no matter what.

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    Poor quality control and/or poor barrels. DPMS replaced the extremely poor barrel on my brand new AP4 at no charge, but such a piss poor barrel should never have gotten past any responsible manufacturer's QC checks. Of course, I was not compensated for headaches, lost time, lost range expenses, ammo expenses, or even shipping costs. Best bench group with .308 Fed Gold Match was 8+inches at 28 yards. A very bad experience.

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    KYPD,

    A friend of mine had the same issue and after (2) different barrels he just said **** it and got another. Disappointing to say the least.

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