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Thread: M4A1 as Standard Issue

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    So call me behind the times here, but other than going from burst to auto, do we know for sure what has been changed/updated on the M4A1s big army is now using? I understand that SOCOM elements have been using these for a while, but did big army buy the same carbine, or did they do something different? I would just ask some friends at Ft Campbell, but they are currently deployed with more important issues to deal with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mace2364 View Post
    So call me behind the times here, but other than going from burst to auto, do we know for sure what has been changed/updated on the M4A1s big army is now using? I understand that SOCOM elements have been using these for a while, but did big army buy the same carbine, or did they do something different? I would just ask some friends at Ft Campbell, but they are currently deployed with more important issues to deal with.
    the difference is its now the M4A1, this includes the SOCOM barrel, auto trigger that allows for precise trigger pull every time, and ambi safety selector.

    Once the Forward rail PiP is completed it will phase out the KAC M4 RAS, but that will be next year.
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    So another dumb question, what exactly is a "SOCOM barrel"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mace2364 View Post
    So another dumb question, what exactly is a "SOCOM barrel"?
    its thicker than a government profile barrel of the standard M4, but not quite HBAR but it also has cuts in it to allow for a M203 to be mounted. It can withstand nearly double the amount of rounds that the standard M4 barrel can.

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    Great, something even heavier we have to carry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mace2364 View Post
    Great, something even heavier we have to carry.
    It's certainly heavier, but I believe its 4oz difference.

    It also makes it more rigid which should increase accuracy(doubt youd notice it without a FF rail) and will increase bolt life with a suppressor attached(again wont make a huge difference without a FF rail.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grand58742 View Post
    If this has been asked before, forgive as it's a fairly vague set of keywords in a search... Has anyone every designed or thought of adding both burst and full auto to the M16 FOW? Kind of like the FN FNC has. I mean besides the lowers having to be remarked, is that even possible with the way an AR action works?
    Quote Originally Posted by Stickman View Post
    Yes, I've seen and worked on them.
    Same here. They sometimes worked, too. Last one I recall was from DPMS, a four-position selector for safe, semi, burst, and auto. It was a nuisance.
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    Fortunately, I don't do that full time anymore. But having turned down a few barrels, that 4 oz feels a lot more when it's on the barrel. Pick up an A1 profile barrel, and you'll see what I mean. I have had some of my buddies handle my A1 clone and when my 20" rifle weighs less than their 16" carbines(without accessories) they take notice. Lightweight was the whole advantage of the M16 to begin with.

    Big army doesn't get suppressors, so no real gain there. And in my experience any accuracy gained is going to be irrelevant for 2 reasons; a) most soldiers in the(big) army can't shoot well enough to notice a difference. And;

    b) In my experience, when someone is actually shooting at you, your shooting ability declines rather dramatically. So even if you have a level of skill to notice the improvement a heavier barrel would give you, you're not going to shoot that well in combat situations. Granted, this may not apply to everyone, but it does apply to most.

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    Not to mention M855 has a very low accuracy standard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vicious_cb View Post
    Not to mention M855 has a very low accuracy standard.
    M855 is no longer being used, M855A1 is now the standard round and is I believe a 1.5MOA round.
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