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    The problem, I think, for those of us who advocate a more rigid cleaning regimen, is that it is automatically assumed that we go into every nook and cranny of the gun, and that we use copper remover etc to remove all build up in the barrel. I sure as hell don't. The only reason I remove most of the carbon is to prevent it from trapping moisture, potentially resulting in corrosion.

    And I have seen modern, well set up guns have complete trigger assemblies rusted, barrels rusted, flash hiders rusted etc, due to lax maintenance standards. All because they were just put back in storage after a winter exercise, with a lot of trapped moisture, and not maintained.

    And using a copper/bronze brush coated with CLP, running it through the bore a few times in the direction the bullet travels will not wear it out.

    Re combat, I did not say I had the one and only definitive perspective. I explained why my perspective is what it is. And, as I have said previously, carbon fouling is a minor part of what can get into a weapon system in the field. But if carbon is your only "enemy", then go ahead and just apply lube...if that's your preferred approach.
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    One of my enemies is not having free time to waste on cleaning every time I shoot. I'm confident that following recommended replacement intervals and adding lube plus cleaning at sane intervals gives me a weapon that functions and looks just as good as any other.

    I've done the q-tip thing. The day I sloshed oil from the dipstick of my LAV-25 onto my fireteam's weapons was the day I learned that the military (back then) had some misguided priorities regarding weapons cleaning. Weapons ran great dirty, better than spotless clean with a "light coat of CLP" as the manual says.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Littlelebowski View Post
    Basically, some folks have found evidence of wear to the crown from reversing direction and/or starting from the muzzle.......
    I have to agree with this. I wrecked the barrel crown on one of my rifles by using a U.S. GI steel cleaning rod before I knew any better. At first I did not know why my accuracy dropped off. You could not tell by looking at the crown without the use of a magnifying glass, but under magnification I could tell I caused uneven wear on the crown.

    No matter what cleaning regimen you use, you need to be careful around the barrel crown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Littlelebowski View Post
    One of my enemies is not having free time to waste on cleaning every time I shoot. I'm confident that following recommended replacement intervals and adding lube plus cleaning at sane intervals gives me a weapon that functions and looks just as good as any other.

    I've done the q-tip thing. The day I sloshed oil from the dipstick of my LAV-25 onto my fireteam's weapons was the day I learned that the military (back then) had some misguided priorities regarding weapons cleaning. Weapons ran great dirty, better than spotless clean with a "light coat of CLP" as the manual says.
    I agree that cleaning the gun for cleanliness' sake is retarded. There are more important benefits to proper maintenance. And that a dirty gun runs better than a clean gun....well, I cannot agree with that statement at all.
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    In addition to the normal spray can bath and lube, I put a drop on grease where the trigger bar and hammer bump uglies.

    Lube keeps carbon crap suspended so when you do clean, its easy.

    "I prob shouldnt do this, but I hate that springy sound in my buffer tube"- Paul Howe, while slathering his buffer spring with TB25.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7 RING View Post
    I have to agree with this. I wrecked the barrel crown on one of my rifles by using a U.S. GI steel cleaning rod before I knew any better. At first I did not know why my accuracy dropped off. You could not tell by looking at the crown without the use of a magnifying glass, but under magnification I could tell I caused uneven wear on the crown.

    No matter what cleaning regimen you use, you need to be careful around the barrel crown.
    You know, I have always pulled the rod/brush back through the barrel with out unscrewing the brush/jag/swab. I just never thought about it until now. I have never noticed a decrees in accuracy. I guess I will start unscrewing the attachment after it protrudes from the muzzle to pull the rod back through. If my crown is damaged do you think it's something I could see with the naked eye?

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    If you own an AR you can apply any maintenance standard you come up with. If you have an AR issued, you'll probably have to toe the party line.

    Not everyone in the military is switched on when it comes to weapons, and 'spotlessly clean' is an easy standard to identify and enforce.

    Field conditions can be worse than anything a square range can offer. I've had debris on the inside of my weapons such as vegetation, mud, and sand, etc. More than a few times I've seen mud in barrels from people falling down. A bore snake won't be able to get the mud out of a barrel so you can't discount a cleaning rod altogether.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7 RING View Post
    I have to agree with this. I wrecked the barrel crown on one of my rifles by using a U.S. GI steel cleaning rod before I knew any better. At first I did not know why my accuracy dropped off. You could not tell by looking at the crown without the use of a magnifying glass, but under magnification I could tell I caused uneven wear on the crown.

    No matter what cleaning regimen you use, you need to be careful around the barrel crown.
    One of the old, old men I shoot with has a semi-automatic BAR, the military kind. He paid two or three or four thousand dollars, I don't remember. I shot it, it's a heck of a piece for nostalgia. Later he was cleaning it, from the muzzle as you must with this gun. With an old Hoppe's rod, jointed, aluminum, bent, shoving it down the bore. I almost cried.

    He shows up a couple of times a month on a Friday, every time wearing a different hat. A French Foreign Legion hat one day, a Dutch Army Engineer's hat the next, Bundeswehr, Japan SDF hat, Swedish hat of some kind, Indian Navy, every one with an interesting story of how he got it.
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    [QUOTE=Littlelebowski;1458677]One of my enemies is not having free time to waste on cleaning every time I shoot. I'm confident that following recommended replacement intervals...

    Where might one find a list of 'recommended replacement intervals' if you know? Thanks!
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