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    Quote Originally Posted by fdny2pa View Post
    Im torn about this topic. As a Marine in conditioned to have my weapon clean and ready. As a combat Marine I always remember Murphys Law of Combat. "No combat ready unit ever passed inspection"
    How true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Littlelebowski View Post
    Just let go, dude. I did and it was a great decision.
    Ok, a quick question.

    How would you enforce a standard like this in your fire team/squad/platoon as a fire team leader, squad leader or platoon leader? How can you make sure that proper PCCs and PCIs have been carried out?

    I have served at all those levels, and when it is my responsibility to keep my men safe, as well as complete the mission, I take every measure possible to make sure that everything from personal weapons, load bearing gear, mission essential gear is good to go. I'm not talking about a white-glove, q-tip-remove-every-grain-of-carbon maintenance approach.

    Again, the devil is in the details, and improper maintenance can lead to a stuck case, for example, and cause a failure to extract, rendering the weapon inoperable until the malfunction has been cleared. If that happens at a critical time during MOUT, for example, it could well lead to that soldier, and others, to be either wounded or killed.

    I am going to do my best to make sure mye guys are as capable as possible, and part of that is maintaining gear. And I also make sure that the equipment is maintained properly, according to the correct practices for each particular weapon system, to avoid excessive wear due to improper maintenance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Littlelebowski View Post
    You don't understand what I said with regards to comparing a dirty, heavily lubed weapon to a clean, barely lubed weapon.

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    Was that a statement or a question? I might have misunderstood what you wrote, by all means.

    I don't subscribe to the light coat of lube approach either, but I don't see anyone advocating that approach? And again, the mindset is very carbon-centric. That is not the only foreign matter that can get inside the weapon. Moisture, small pieces of foliage, rocks etc all find their way inside the gun when we are out on operations, low crawling, bounding etc. If the approach to weapon maintenance is based on round counts and just-add-lube, the potential for problems increases in my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suwannee Tim View Post
    That's funny. No doubt true. Like the Navy's ORSE, a painstaking, nitpicking inspection of a power reactor. Captains get promoted or not based on the ORSE which has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with combat readiness, leadership ability or any other valuable attribute of a warrior leader.
    Are you comparing the two, to the effect that you are saying that making sure mission essential gear and personal equipement and weapons are in proper working order (PCC/PCI) has nothing to do with combat readyness? That it is not showing leadership ability or the attributes of a warrior leader?

    "No combat ready unit ever passed inspection"
    That rule is retarded anyways, as I perform inspections before, during and after operations. I think people apply that rule to the incorrect situations.
    Last edited by Arctic1; 12-04-12 at 12:31.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arctic1 View Post
    Was that a statement or a question? I might have misunderstood what you wrote, by all means.

    I don't subscribe to the light coat of lube approach either, but I don't see anyone advocating that approach? And again, the mindset is very carbon-centric. That is not the only foreign matter that can get inside the weapon. Moisture, small pieces of foliage, rocks etc all find their way inside the gun when we are out on operations, low crawling, bounding etc. If the approach to weapon maintenance is based on round counts and just-add-lube, the potential for problems increases in my opinion.
    When I was in (Marine infantry, 95-04), a light coat of CLP was religiously taught as all that you apply. Agreed on visual inspections for fouling/debris.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arctic1 View Post
    Ok, a quick question.

    How would you enforce a standard like this in your fire team/squad/platoon as a fire team leader, squad leader or platoon leader? How can you make sure that proper PCCs and PCIs have been carried out?

    I have served at all those levels, and when it is my responsibility to keep my men safe, as well as complete the mission, I take every measure possible to make sure that everything from personal weapons, load bearing gear, mission essential gear is good to go. I'm not talking about a white-glove, q-tip-remove-every-grain-of-carbon maintenance approach.

    Again, the devil is in the details, and improper maintenance can lead to a stuck case, for example, and cause a failure to extract, rendering the weapon inoperable until the malfunction has been cleared. If that happens at a critical time during MOUT, for example, it could well lead to that soldier, and others, to be either wounded or killed.

    I am going to do my best to make sure mye guys are as capable as possible, and part of that is maintaining gear. And I also make sure that the equipment is maintained properly, according to the correct practices for each particular weapon system, to avoid excessive wear due to improper maintenance.
    I'd do what I did; follow orders from on high to clean but dial it way down. No metal on metal scraping, lots of lube, set amount of patching, and I'd be doing things like gas ring checks though our armorer would theoretically be doing this (doubt it). I think you and I are pretty much agreeing at this point regarding white glove, Mickey Mouse bullshit.

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    Clean? 2000 round weekend class dropped in sandy silt like dirt right on ejection port sand got into lower. Ran all class not one stoppage.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lockup1109 View Post
    Clean? 2000 round weekend class dropped in sandy silt like dirt right on ejection port sand got into lower. Ran all class not one stoppage.

    Now, THAT's Impressive..
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    The gun fell down a hill with the mag out bolt closed. Tons of sand in the magwell and on the bottom of the bolt. Shook out what i could slammed in a mag, charged the weapon and continued the class. Added a bit of CLP (its what was available at the time) and had not one single malfunction.

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    Man....That is nasty................still runs like a charm...............

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