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    Quote Originally Posted by Lockup1109 View Post
    Clean? 2000 round weekend class dropped in sandy silt like dirt right on ejection port sand got into lower. Ran all class not one stoppage.
    Well.....so?

    The extreme dust test that is brought up now and again, clearly shows that the platform can endure extreme environements. It does however increase the likelyhood of malfunctions, as well as increased wear on parts.

    Just because the tolerances are there, for extreme situations, does not equal that it is recommended or neccessarily smart to do it.

    If that was my gun, I would have cleaned it before I continued shooting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arctic1 View Post
    Well.....so?
    If that was my gun, I would have cleaned it before I continued shooting.
    And missed a drill/training? I'd say this built confidence.

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    I would have finished the drill, then sat the next drill out to remove most of it. He did not specify when it was dropped, if it was between drills or during.

    Build confidence? Was there a lack of confidence? Again, I have no doubt that the weapon system can endure being run dirty and sandy etc. I have never said so. It does however not equal that it is a smart thing to do, or that it is a recommended practice. They determine reliability thresholds during testing, it should not be neccessary for the user to test it.

    If the gun couldn't handle these extreme situations, I would start asking questions about how reliable the weapon was.

    Missing out on one drill isn't very detrimental to training, as opposed to the weapon maybe being rendered inoperable and missing all the training. It worked out well in this case, but it might not during a time of real need.
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    Well, rock on then. Our minds will never meet on this subject and that's fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arctic1 View Post
    Well.....so?

    The extreme dust test that is brought up now and again, clearly shows that the platform can endure extreme environements. It does however increase the likelyhood of malfunctions, as well as increased wear on parts.

    Just because the tolerances are there, for extreme situations, does not equal that it is recommended or neccessarily smart to do it.

    If that was my gun, I would have cleaned it before I continued shooting.
    Arctic1 what many fail to realize is that cleaning any piece of equipment is not just about cleaning but about inspecting i.e. preventive maintenance. Army trucks and weapons can all run without cleaning but we clean and wash them so we can inspect them. Inspection is the main reason we should clean our weapons.
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    Personally I'd rather push the limits and have it fail in training or while out shooting. That way when a situation dictates the need for the rifle in the future I'll know what it can and cannot do. I just "cleaned" my AR for the first time since it's initial cleaning some 3500 rounds ago. Was running perfectly fine even being as dirty as it was from all of this wonderful AZ sand/dust. As a routine before every time I shoot I inspect the chamber and bore and run patch and solvent every 1000 rounds or so. Quick glance of the FCG(lube if needed)and BCG(lube if needed). I only decided to clean it because I was doing a full teardown and clean of my 1911 and thought why not. My girlfriends father always gives me shit for not cleaning it evey time I shoot it.

    As they say....to each his own.

    I certainly won't chastise anyone for their choice of cleaning or non-cleaning of a weapon system. I have my routine that I find works for me while others may vary.
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    Would you pour a handful of sand inside the upper and lower receiver before going out to the range, or on a mission?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd00000 View Post
    Arctic1 what many fail to realize is that cleaning any piece of equipment is not just about cleaning but about inspecting i.e. preventive maintenance. Army trucks and weapons can all run without cleaning but we clean and wash them so we can inspect them. Inspection is the main reason we should clean our weapons.
    I agree, and I don't advocate cleaning for cleanliness' sake. It is also a very good inspection tool to have weapons cleaned, as it makes it easy to see who has taken care of their weapon and who hasn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arctic1 View Post
    Would you pour a handful of sand inside the upper and lower receiver before going out to the range, or on a mission?
    I certainly would not. Having a my rifle get dirty from use is far different then grabbing a handful of sand and pouring it into the mechanical workings of the firearm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReaperAZ View Post
    I certainly would not. Having a my rifle get dirty from use is far different then grabbing a handful of sand and pouring it into the mechanical workings of the firearm.
    How is it different, aside from the method of getting it into the mechanism? The effect is the same....
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