Handgun malfunction and Remedial action....SERIOUSLY???

[d90king]

Don't feel too bad.
My club hosts Tactical Response classes several times a year.
A couple of board members are Jeager followers.
They do their thing, meanwhile someone on the safety committee decided to try to measure dicks with Chris Costa on Magpul's last and probably last class there.

McPhee will be here the same weekend as Tactical Response.
I sure hope the board members let McPhee do his thing uninhibited.
McNamara will be here in October.
Hopefully we can keep these high caliber types coming back.

LOL I would love to be there if they were to confront John. Try and get video because its sure to be an epic exchange.

Also, with the NEW MPD I'll bet you could get them to come back for more classes if you wanted. They aren't scared of a few idiots.

[nickdrak]

For your viewing and educational pleasure: http://dmztactical.com/gun-blog/hand...medial-action/

And another gem I found on this awesome crew: http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?sec...cal&id=8730196

[mdain]

The video was actually painful to watch. I'm dumber now than I was ten minutes ago. I was going to send him a polite email suggesting that he figure out how to set up a malfunction prior to taping it. At least edit the film or start over if you know you screwed up.

Then I read the article in your second link. I'm pretty sure DMZ Tactical is no more, or at least won't be soon.

[nickdrak]

Then I read the article in your second link. I'm pretty sure DMZ Tactical is no more, or at least won't be soon.

No, unfortunately they are going strong and have found a new home at my gun club

[Alaskapopo]

This was snipped from an entry on a local instructors website who runs multiple "Groupon/LivingSocial" type firearm instruction events which are targeted at new/unexperienced shooters that are held at a local gun club.

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"In this video I am demonstrating the three most popular malfunctions in a handgun. They are as follows:

Failure to fire
Stove-pipe
Doublefeed"
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Im not quite sure what "popular" has to do with types of handgun malfunctions but I just wanted to put it into context. The following is apparently what he/they are teaching to these brand-new students who are attending his classes. The comments in RED are what concern me the most...
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"Another thing I hear a bunch these days is, the new school of thought, instead of re-engaging after the remedial action go directly to an assess mode first. That is all fine and dandy but there should not be any need to assess. As you are doing remedial action, you do not disregard the enemy, and you surely dont forget if they are shooting back at you or not. The purpose of re-engaging with rounds down range is to let them know that you are back in battery and fully capable of neutralizing them. If in the couple of seconds it took for you to clear a malfunction and re-engage, the enemy fled then so be it, shoot a couple rounds and let them know to run faster.

Another reason to re-engage is to make sure that your firearm fires properly after the remedial action. If you just assess and put it back into your holster because the enemy is gone, you never know if you fixed it. A couple minutes later the enemy comes back and you pull that firearm out and it fails to fire. This is not the time to figure out what happened, you had plenty of time to figure it out if you would of fired a round after the remedial action and it failed to fire."
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Im curious what everyone else's opinion is on sending rounds down range as a default after clearing a malfunction. I am of the opinion that it is patently retarded to employ and especially to teach this tecnique to new shooters

Now here's the kicker, If I want to host instructors with resumes like Larry Vickers, Kyle Defoor, John McPhee, Ken Hackathorn, etc., and more than 10 students sign-up for the class I need to arrange to have a club provided RSO sit thru the entire class and baby-sit. This guy is unaffected by this club rule because he has his own cadre of "instructors" to cover the number of students that show up to his courses. They are bringing in a high volume of students to their classes which concerns me for several different reasons.

Im not looking to harm this guy's lively-hood, but his tactics are idiotic and in my opinion introducing new shooters to this type of crap will not only cause problems for the club (and himself) down the road but will also place his students and innocent bystanders in situations of elevated liability and risk of death or injury.

I agree with you. That is retarded. You only fire if you need to fire.
pat

[Surf]

For your viewing and educational pleasure: http://dmztactical.com/gun-blog/hand...medial-action/

And another gem I found on this awesome crew: http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?sec...cal&id=8730196

Clown ****ing shoes.

And sorry I rarely swear online.

[mdain]

For the love of Christ! This yahoo gets free reign on your club ranges after launching rounds through houses (no doubt he was just proving to himself that he cleared his malfunction), but quality instructors need a babysitter? Might want to bring up the liability issues this guy presents at the next board meeting.......

And invest in armor

[Guns-up.50]

I wonder if this guy teaches "warning shots" too.

"just send one down their way to let them know you're really serious"

Are you serious, of course! warning shots are the only way to make sure you weapon functions before shit gets real.

[Guns-up.50]

Clown ****ing shoes.

And sorry I rarely swear online.

Yes! and sadly as we all know the firearms training world is full of ball bags, and there mere existence is to drain peoples pocketbooks for knowledge that is nearly common and less than par. Frankly I am embarrassed by these imposters, and pity the poor, naive sole that falls into the trap of this douche-baggery.

Most of their Resumes likely contain:
Watch Navy Seals 3 time.
Watched Saving PVT Ryan (only the battle scenes)
Video Tutorial on Jujitsu.
Watch the unit regularly

[PPGMD]

Good ol' Tactical Response (student and instructor pic below).

I can't find the video.

Is that really an instructor, or are you just assuming that he is one because he is watching?