youtube ballistic gel testings

[mxerdude179]

Before you read any further, if youre going to troll me or be a thread nazi dont even respond.


I hope I'm in the right place here. Something tells me that one of you will find something wrong with my thread and whine about it. If you aren't one of those people, then disregard this. I've been pretty hesitant to post anything on this forum due to this fact. Anyway I'm here to talk about ballistic tests in general. I've watched and looked up quite a few of them and after searching through thousands of websites and reports I still do not have the information I am looking for. So, first off every "home defense" ballistic test that I have looked at shows some jack ass with a mock up wall complete with sheet rock and ballistics gel behind it. Just when i think they are going to shoot the ballistics gel and see if it passes through a simulated body cavity, they turn around and shoot through the sheetrock into the ballistics gel. Let me ask a question here, what kind of dumbshit thinks a bullet will not pass through sheetrock? What is the point of that? Why wouldnt you do the latter? Can anyone point me to a relevant ballistic test using 223/556 45acp/9mm or anything realistic. Why are people so stupid? I dont understand...I want to obtain some real knowledge before I decide if i want to lock my guns up or keep one next to my bed. I know that if somebody came in it wouldnt be pretty either way. I would almost rather take a bullet than pay umpteen thousand dollars in court fees and sit in jail. Although that is not what I'm here to discuss. I would like somebody to point me in the direction of a RELEVANT ballistics test regarding home defense. Thanks

[Ironman8]

I'm sure you'll think that the OP of this thread and ALL those who liked and wanted to contribute to this line of testing are just moronic jack-asses, but here is one that was done recently: https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=112461

[jstone]

This is the best forum for the m4, AR 15 platform out there. The amount of true professionals here just add to the credibility. When you ask a question here that is a waste of bandwidth they are not going to be bashful about telling you, but if you post something worth while you will have some of the most experienced professionals answering the question not some 20 year old kid who plays call of duty more than he trains.

As for why people shoot sheetrock is to gain knowledge. Lets assume for a minute that someone with a basic knowledge base regarding guns and ammunition performance. Someone who has been around guns but has not done any research. If you were to ask them if you shoot a pistol and an Ar15 in the same conditions on the same day at 10 equally spaced half inch sheets of sheetrock. Which one is going to penetrate the most sheets. I would assume (and you know what they say about assumptions) that 80 percent would say that the rifle would make through more sheets than the pistol. Due to the fact we have these people who take there time to shoot sheet rock we now know that the pistol penetrates more than the AR.

Shooting stuff likes this helps to end all of the bull shit you hear at gun shops. Like you should use a shotgun instead of an AR if you live in an apartment, because the AR is going to go through 4 apartments then kill a kid. So thanks to these people shooting stuff we all gain the knowledge that was not as readily available 10 years ago

If you want to go some place that has a lot of info go to: box of truth. You should also spend some time reading the stickies at the top of the page.

You should stick around if you want to learn a lot about the platform, ballistics, and training. Remember that at any given time you may be speaking to one of the foremost experts on the subject. You can not get that on any of the other sites that are dedicated to the m4/AR platform.

If you get but hurt easy this may not be the place for you. Nobody on here attacks you, but they are straight shooters. If you do or ask something stupid they Will let you know about it. If you are hesitant to post what you did to me shows that you knew the stupidity of the question to start. You might also feel more comfortable on TOS where they will tell you what you want to hear and not the way it is. If you had looked at thousands of sites as you claim you would have your answer, and you would not have started a troll thread. You said you would rather be shot than pay court fees and in jail. If someone breaks into your house and takes it that far they are going to kill you.

[5.56Spartan]

Before you read any further, if youre going to troll me or be a thread nazi dont even respond.


I hope I'm in the right place here. Something tells me that one of you will find something wrong with my thread and whine about it. If you aren't one of those people, then disregard this. I've been pretty hesitant to post anything on this forum due to this fact. Anyway I'm here to talk about ballistic tests in general. I've watched and looked up quite a few of them and after searching through thousands of websites and reports I still do not have the information I am looking for. So, first off every "home defense" ballistic test that I have looked at shows some jack ass with a mock up wall complete with sheet rock and ballistics gel behind it. Just when i think they are going to shoot the ballistics gel and see if it passes through a simulated body cavity, they turn around and shoot through the sheetrock into the ballistics gel. Let me ask a question here, what kind of dumbshit thinks a bullet will not pass through sheetrock? What is the point of that? Why wouldnt you do the latter? Can anyone point me to a relevant ballistic test using 223/556 45acp/9mm or anything realistic. Why are people so stupid? I dont understand...I want to obtain some real knowledge before I decide if i want to lock my guns up or keep one next to my bed. I know that if somebody came in it wouldnt be pretty either way. I would almost rather take a bullet than pay umpteen thousand dollars in court fees and sit in jail. Although that is not what I'm here to discuss. I would like somebody to point me in the direction of a RELEVANT ballistics test regarding home defense. Thanks

Hopefully you have already found this YouTube site...
http://www.youtube.com/user/BrassFetcher/videos

As for the shooting of wallboard... it has value as it is commonly found in homes. I (IMHO) would love to see more variety in mediums in front of ballistics gel.... chairs, mattresses, sofas.... Basically, stuff we or the bad guys might hide behind.

[C4IGrant]

Oh my. OP, first if you have to start your thread asking people not to be mean to you for what you are about to say, then maybe you should re-think what it is your are going to say.

Ballistic testing is usually done in two manners. The first is DIRECTLY into gel. They are looking for how well it expands or fragments.

By shooting through sheet rock and then capturing the bullet shows us how well it held together and where the expansion occurred (in the sheet rock or in the gel).

Is this important to you as a Civy? Maybe not. It is to me and is of interest to LE and Mil. In a perfect world, there is no barrier between us and the bad guy, but this just isn't always the case. Selecting rounds that can pass through a barrier and then expand in soft tissue is very desirable.



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[Koshinn]

Hopefully you have already found this YouTube site...
http://www.youtube.com/user/BrassFetcher/videos

As for the shooting of wallboard... it has value as it is commonly found in homes. I (IMHO) would love to see more variety in mediums in front of ballistics gel.... chairs, mattresses, sofas.... Basically, stuff we or the bad guys might hide behind.

I agree, I've personally never been in a house that has sheetrock anywhere besides by a fireplace, and that is backed by bricks too. Sofa -> ballistics gel would be awesome.

[MegademiC]

I agree, I've personally never been in a house that has sheetrock anywhere besides by a fireplace, and that is backed by bricks too. Sofa -> ballistics gel would be awesome.

Sheetrock is a brandname of wallboard/plasterboard/wallboard.

I think you are thinking of cement board, maybe.

[BufordTJustice]

Before you read any further, if youre going to troll me or be a thread nazi dont even respond.


I hope I'm in the right place here. Something tells me that one of you will find something wrong with my thread and whine about it. If you aren't one of those people, then disregard this. I've been pretty hesitant to post anything on this forum due to this fact. Anyway I'm here to talk about ballistic tests in general. I've watched and looked up quite a few of them and after searching through thousands of websites and reports I still do not have the information I am looking for. So, first off every "home defense" ballistic test that I have looked at shows some jack ass with a mock up wall complete with sheet rock and ballistics gel behind it. Just when i think they are going to shoot the ballistics gel and see if it passes through a simulated body cavity, they turn around and shoot through the sheetrock into the ballistics gel. Let me ask a question here, what kind of dumbshit thinks a bullet will not pass through sheetrock? What is the point of that? Why wouldnt you do the latter? Can anyone point me to a relevant ballistic test using 223/556 45acp/9mm or anything realistic. Why are people so stupid? I dont understand...I want to obtain some real knowledge before I decide if i want to lock my guns up or keep one next to my bed. I know that if somebody came in it wouldnt be pretty either way. I would almost rather take a bullet than pay umpteen thousand dollars in court fees and sit in jail. Although that is not what I'm here to discuss. I would like somebody to point me in the direction of a RELEVANT ballistics test regarding home defense. Thanks

With due respect, you're looking for a hardware solution to a software problem. You want a bullet that will effectively and reliably kill (incapacitate) a badguy, but that will still fail to penetrate through drywall. This is called the magic bullet theorem.

I think your question informs us that you are approaching this problem from the entirely wrong perspective. If you are coming to this forum asking if you should prepare to defend yourself against a lethal attack, the answer is always going to be YES from us.

With due respect, your statement that you would "rather take a bullet" than pay umpteen thousand dollars in court costs tells me that you have already created a set of circumstances under which you are certain your surprise lethal encounter will occur.....and that you have already determined that you will a) survive and b) be sued if you use a gun as opposed to, say, a hammer.

Me thinks you are in the wrong place if you are asking these questions. I suggest a healthy dose of reading DocGKR's stickies and posts in this forum in general before posting more.

You're looking for the magic bullet and I'm here to give you a little hint:




there isn't one.

[jstone]

I agree, I've personally never been in a house that has sheetrock anywhere besides by a fireplace, and that is backed by bricks too. Sofa -> ballistics gel would be awesome.

I can't believe you did not know what sheetrock is. What do you call Drywall or sheetrock? Im not asking to be a dick Im just wondering, because i have never heard it called anything other than sheetrock or Drywall.

I would love to see objects like tv's and entertainment centers being shot to see how tuff it is for bullets to penetrate them.

[WS6]

I can't believe you did not know what sheetrock is. What do you call Drywall or sheetrock? Im not asking to be a dick Im just wondering, because i have never heard it called anything other than sheetrock or Drywall.

I would love to see objects like tv's and entertainment centers being shot to see how tuff it is for bullets to penetrate them.

TV's are probably kindof hard on bullets, at least, the big boxy kind.

My advice? go out and shoot stuff. I did, and learned a lot. I shot mainly pine studs, cinder blocks, automotive components (doors, etc.), wet phone-books, etc.

If I shoot someone in my house, it is because I believe I would be dead if I did not. Nothing I own is worth dying for. Conversely, if someone is in my home to steal, that means they are there to kill me, because no idiot is going to assume you will give him the item they came for and a cup of coffee for their trouble. Ergo, I am going to assume 100% without doubt that if my home is broken into---I am in mortal danger, and will assume that I am the primary target of the invasion, as nothing anyone could own is worth dying for. That means they are there for one thing---to kill me---and I don't really care why.

Now...if I shoot and miss, there is a fairly good chance that if nothing else, an exterior wall will defeat or destroy the bullet ballistically. Beyond that, there is a very slim chance it will "get unlucky" and strike someone in THEIR house through THEIR wall. It's just not likely. I mean, I could theorize all day "What if it went out through the window?" "What if..."

My point is, if I shoot someone, I will do it because there IS NO ALTERNATIVE BUT TO LAY DOWN AND DIE! I will not put "Something bad could happen if I miss..." above "SOMETHING BAD WILL HAPPEN IF I DON'T!"

It's illogical, and if it's illogical, in my world, it's wrong.