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Originally Posted by Safetyhit

Obama is a weak and lazy ideologue. He also seems to have a tendency for entitlements, probably due to some sort of social justice agenda. And he doesn't care much for Israel, as he is willing to forsake them to appease in search of a peace that will never come.

However believing all of this is a grand, diabolical plot to destroy America or empower islam is ridiculous.

I think it's more ominous than being weak and idealistic. Is he trying to destroy America or bring about WWIII? I don't have a clue. I will say this: IMHO, his mission at the very least, is to transform our country by weakening us economically and undermining our Global influence. Why? Maybe he wants to even the playing field and knock the country off its high horse? Maybe it has something to do with his upbringing and how it shaped his views on America and our place in the world? Maybe he hates Israel? Maybe he wants to bring about Armageddon? Bottom line: we don't know this man and will never know his true agenda until after its accomplished. Personally, I don't think it is a stretch to see that he is hanging Israel out to dry and it's not a far stretch to think that he wants Israel to strike Iran without our support. I can assure you, we wouldn't back them up as long as BHO is in the White House. If they do, every foreign fighter in the region would flood into Jerusalem. The region is a powder keg and someone is striking matches near the fuse.

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Originally Posted by mtdawg169

I think it's more ominous than being weak and idealistic. Is he trying to destroy America or bring about WWIII? I don't have a clue. I will say this: IMHO, his mission at the very least, is to transform our country by weakening us economically and undermining our Global influence. Why? Maybe he wants to even the playing field and knock the country off its high horse? Maybe it has something to do with his upbringing and how it shaped his views on America and our place in the world.

An interesting read that dovetails with what you're saying:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/...n-middle-east/

-Jax

Originally Posted by jaxman7

An interesting read that dovetails with what you're saying:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/...n-middle-east/

-Jax

That is an excellent op-ed. Thanks for the link. I don't understand how people can't see what's going on in the region and how our President is playing a role.

For the record, I'm not a tinfoil hat wearing pepper. Just an everyday, concerned, middle class, white collar, tax paying American citizen. I'm generally suspicious of conspiracy theories, but this really makes me question what's going on around us.

It's hard to dismiss that article outright, but while it was compelling I think there are other more logical explanations.

He probably hasn't hit Syria because he caught a lot of flack from the left on starting more international conflicts and because he fears the Russian reaction. As far as Iran, he is timid there because he doesn't want to start a potential world war or long term conflict on his watch. Obviously short sighted because if he wins re-election Iran will be nuclear within his next term, but this is has always been a short-sighted, take the easy way out president.

Hope I'm right anyway. As sad as that is when you consider his magnitude of faults.

Originally Posted by Safetyhit

It's hard to dismiss that article outright, but while it was compelling I think there are other more logical explanations.

He probably hasn't hit Syria because he caught a lot of flack from the left on starting more international conflicts and because he fears the Russian reaction. As far as Iran, he is timid there because he doesn't want to start a potential world war or long term conflict on his watch. Obviously short sighted because if he wins re-election Iran will be nuclear within his next term, but this is has always been a short-sighted, take the easy way out president.

Hope I'm right anyway. As sad as that is when you consider his magnitude of faults.

I don't dismiss the challenges that Iran & Syria pose for the US from a global politics standpoint and certainly don't want to see us in another war. However, military action isn't our only option on either front. Our President has done NOTHING to stand in the way of either country. Why? I think it's because he doesn't want to. His actions and in some cases inaction, support the theory that he wants the middle east to return to a time when America had no influence. Examples of inaction: Syria, Iran, Israel. You don't have to look beyond those cases to see that through his personal displays of weakness, he has weakened the entire country's global influence. If you act weak, you will be weak. Our country's influence is less about our direct military action and more about the deterrent it creates. We have made it clear to our enemies that we don't have the strength of conviction to stand in their way and they have seized the opportunity to reverse 100 years of western influence. The only thing that isn't clear is the Why of it all.

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Originally Posted by mtdawg169

If you act weak, you will be weak.

Exactly the point. He is not strong, he never has been a fighter. He is nothing more than a preppy liberal community organizer from Chicago who is and always was too weak to be president.

Originally Posted by Safetyhit

Exactly the point. He is not strong, he never has been a fighter. He is nothing more than a preppy liberal community organizer from Chicago who is and always was too weak to be president.

I don't disagree agree with that assessment. However I believe the events in the middle east go far beyond him being the bungler in chief. He may not personify American strength, but he is intelligent and the events going on in the region have purpose. They're not just the unlucky result of perceived ineptitude. There is something much larger going on here. The Fox op-ed article represents one opinion and one possibility. It's an opinion that can be supported, but we really don't know what the end game actually is. It could be anti-colonialism or passive approval of aggression towards Israel. The only person that really knows is BHO. Either way, this goes well beyond him simply being ill equipped for the Office of the President.

Originally Posted by Safetyhit

It's hard to dismiss that article outright, but while it was compelling I think there are other more logical explanations.

He probably hasn't hit Syria because he caught a lot of flack from the left on starting more international conflicts and because he fears the Russian reaction. As far as Iran, he is timid there because he doesn't want to start a potential world war or long term conflict on his watch. Obviously short sighted because if he wins re-election Iran will be nuclear within his next term, but this is has always been a short-sighted, take the easy way out president.

Hope I'm right anyway. As sad as that is when you consider his magnitude of faults.

I hardly think "catching a lot of flack from the left" drives those decisions, bro.

Originally Posted by mtdawg169

I don't disagree agree with that assessment. However I believe the events in the middle east go far beyond him being the bungler in chief. He may not personify American strength, but he is intelligent and the events going on in the region have purpose. They're not just the unlucky result of perceived ineptitude. There is something much larger going on here. The Fox op-ed article represents one opinion and one possibility. It's an opinion that can be supported, but we really don't know what the end game actually is. It could be anti-colonialism or passive approval of aggression towards Israel. The only person that really knows is BHO. Either way, this goes well beyond him simply being ill equipped for the Office of the President.

I don't see that we have anything to support that assumption. From where I sit, he's proven to be charismatic, but intelligent? Not so much.

Originally Posted by glocktogo

I don't see that we have anything to support that assumption. From where I sit, he's proven to be charismatic, but intelligent? Not so much.

The rest of that statement read: ".... and the events going on in the region have purpose."

Maybe I give him too much credit. On the other hand, he seems to be accomplishing his goal of transforming America as he envisions it should be. Yes, his actions stupify most of us, but I think the last 4 years have gone exactly according to his plans. You don't get to where we are domestically or globally by accident. As I alluded to earlier, we don't know the real BHO. Alot of what we see is a facade, with the occasional slip of the tongue revealing his true character. IMHO, we didn't get here by accident.

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