1x4 scope as an all around primary optic

[R1J1D]

So, what would be the least expensive 1-4's considered "robust" enough for duty/hard use to give us a baseline to work from?
Tomac

I think for a medium dollar scope the SWFA super sniper.

but I like the Vortex and Redfield line of scopes I have one of each and am very happy with the quality of both they are not the 1-4X though I have the 6-18 vortex crossfire 2 and the 4-12 redfield.

[los]

My CMR is pretty nice. The Glass is crystal clear and the [illuminating]ranging Reticle is extremely user friendly.

The Zero-Lok feature is the cat's meow.

All in all not bad for a $300 variable optic.

[pete57]

I almost bought the cmr but I went with the burris tac30 instead. I like it and probably would have also been happy with the cmr. The only thing I dislike about using a 1-4 is the weight. It is definitely something to consider.

[ra2bach]

Shooting two eyes open will help you to shoot a lot faster on multiple targets. One way to make yourself shoot this way is to cover the front lens cap on your scope or red dot (turn the illumination on the scope) and shoot with both eyes open. If you close your eye you won't see anything but black and the reticle. But if you keep both eyes open you will see the target with your support eye and the reticle with your shooting eye and your brain will put the two together.
Pat

is this just a drill or do you say to do this all the time. the Bindon Aiming Concept does not work for everyone. I get about a 20 MOA discrepancy between this and regular unoccluded sighting.

[Alaskapopo]

is this just a drill or do you say to do this all the time. the Bindon Aiming Concept does not work for everyone. I get about a 20 MOA discrepancy between this and regular unoccluded sighting.

Just a drill I use for new shooters to get them to keep both eyes open.

[Gunzilla]

I'm a big fan of the Burris BDC reticle so my primary 1x4 is my Burris XTR. I also use a Burris Tac30 1x4 on my S&W 15-22 at our local Tactical .22 matches where all targets are inside of 100 yards....most of those inside of 35 yards.

Absolutely love my 1x4s but still have an Aimpoint H1 on 1 of my ARs, I use it out to 300 yards with no problems, only slower follow-up shots.

It's a 'give & take' world so get what you think fits your biggest 'need', and what you shoot well with. Worst case....you have to train a bit to get accustomed to a new optic.

[Pilot1]

I'm in a similar quandry. I recently bought a 1.5-6x40 Burrus Mtac which is due to arrive today. I am hesitant to mount in on my Colt LE6920 as I may want to return it and the mount to get an Aimpoint RDS. Most of my shooting is done between 50 and 100 yards, but I like a bit of magnification to see the targets at longer ranges. However, I also like a light, fast carbine and the ability to aim quickly.

Thoughts?

[dpast32]

Hello Guys, I hope everyone had a nice holiday.

Although I did a fair amount of research prior to deciding upon the LEUPOLD # 113769, I don't recall hearing much about it here on the Forum ? As far as reticles go, the Leupold's Fire Dot SPR reticle isn't the best I've noted, but overall, I liked it's combined features, such as quality, price, & especially weight of this particular model.

I did look at other mfgr's similar type scopes, but all tended to be heavier than the 11.5 oz. weight of the Leupold 113769.

As weight climbs with every addition we make to our weapons, I thought the Leupold would be a lightweight, but sufficient optic for my short to mid-range carbine.

Also, I could mount it on my 7.62 SOCOM II, which should allow it to become a capable 400 meter weapon.

Has anyone else here on the Forum had any
experience with this particular scope ?

I've noted that many guys have chosen to go with one of the Burris models, & or perhaps a Vortex PST ?

How does the 113769 reticle style & overall features compare to either of the above noted competitors ?

AS ALWAYS, any & all replies will be very much appreciated. THANK YOU !

Best, dpast32 ( dpast32@aol.com )

[Gunzilla]

Hello Guys, I hope everyone had a nice holiday.

Although I did a fair amount of research prior to deciding upon the LEUPOLD # 113769, I don't recall hearing much about it here on the Forum ? As far as reticles go, the Leupold's Fire Dot SPR reticle isn't the best I've noted, but overall, I liked it's combined features, such as quality, price, & especially weight of this particular model.

What drew me to the Burris XTR is their reticle, as I stated above. The idea of not have to dope the scope for the longer shots makes it easier and faster to use so engaging targets any varying distances is a no-brainer.....simply drop down to the appropriate dot a fire away. Of course this will depend a lot on your ability to estimate distances with relative accuracy.

I took a look at the 113769 reticle and.....for me it's little more than a dot and cross-hairs reticle that does nothing to help with shots at varying distances unless you can get lots of practice time to figure out your bullet drop in reference to the reticle dots for long distance shots. Yeah it's cheaper, but that is not what you should be considering FIRST. Find your NEED, then buy what fills it....even if it means you have to $ave-up a bit longer, or carry a few more ounces.

That's my .02.

[faster200]

I am loving the reticule in my Vortex PST 1-4x24 (TMCQ MOA). It has the segmented ring around the center dot that speeds up 1X close target acquisition, just like my old Eotech. The rest of the reticule is great for shooting out to 200 meters (I don't have a place to shoot farther safely). The illumination is good in the daytime (not as bright on the high end as my Eotech, but still fine) and at night is can be too bright past setting 6 of 10. Nice and flexible.