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    Quote Originally Posted by whick1 View Post
    Every company whether it be Olympic, Bushmaster, Colt, BCM, Spikes etc. is capable of putting out a good rifle. However IMO what seperates the Olympics and Bushmasters of the world compared to BCM and Colt are that BCM and Colt are more likely to produce a great rifle thanks to the quality control and the individual testing of bolts and other crucial parts
    This is a notable point about quality control. Quality control is consistency of a special standard. Another point made being the parts quality. There's for sure a lot of problems with the parts Bushmaster and other such companies use. In fact some of them make parts out of a lesser quality metal to begin with (at this point testing doesn't make the part good.) It's also true an AR-15 isn't quite a 1911 situation to where they actually require a high percentage of precision work. If Nighthawk used bad parts in their handguns I'm sure their product would work pretty well with all the work put into them until the parts insufficiency came into play (whether tested or not). Likewise, a gun made of good parts could suffer from insufficient attention by the armorer/gunsmith.

    The AR-15 is for sure not a 1911, but there is a balance with any product. I've not researched horror stories on the Spike's rifles, so I have no data to present in this post about how they may not have good parts or quality control. In other words, I'm not going to be convinced they're lesser than another quality company until I see things other than them performing so well. So far there's lots of great proof they're "good to go".

    Here's the vuurwapen blog's take...
    http://vuurwapenblog.com/2010/05/18/...ikes-tactical/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Casull View Post
    This is a notable point about quality control. Quality control is consistency of a special standard. Another point made being the parts quality. There's for sure a lot of problems with the parts Bushmaster and other such companies use. In fact some of them make parts out of a lesser quality metal to begin with (at this point testing doesn't make the part good.) It's also true an AR-15 isn't quite a 1911 situation to where they actually require a high percentage of precision work. If Nighthawk used bad parts in their handguns I'm sure their product would work pretty well with all the work put into them until the parts insufficiency came into play (whether tested or not). Likewise, a gun made of good parts could suffer from insufficient attention by the armorer/gunsmith.

    The AR-15 is for sure not a 1911, but there is a balance with any product. I've not researched horror stories on the Spike's rifles, so I have no data to present in this post about how they may not have good parts or quality control. In other words, I'm not going to be convinced they're lesser than another quality company until I see things other than them performing so well. So far there's lots of great proof they're "good to go".

    Here's the vuurwapen blog's take...
    http://vuurwapenblog.com/2010/05/18/...ikes-tactical/

    I do no support spikes because their owner has showed poor business practices on TOS, like calling companies liars while under his spikes name only to be proven he was wrong, ive also seen him call out and personally insult users on TOS. Thos are practices I do no wish to support.
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    This is 2012. The world is going to end this December and people are still trying to debate the merits of piece of shit, cost cutting crap AR's. Really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jesuvuah View Post
    What is TOS?
    Thank you for asking that question. This whole time, I thought it meant Terms Of Service.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dogbone View Post
    Thank you for asking that question. This whole time, I thought it meant Terms Of Service.
    The other site....as in arfcom.
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    Colt builds War Horses, not show ponies.
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    This is 2012. The world is going to end this December and people are still trying to debate the merits of piece of shit, cost cutting crap AR's. Really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by everyusernametaken View Post
    FWIW, I don't get it either. The simple fact that spikes sells a product like that essentially destroys any credibility they may have ever had in my mind. Fake suppressors, fake grenade launchers, rollmarks of comic book characters, zombies and whatever kind of spider that's supposed to resemble on their own logo - all of these identify a specific target consumer, and it is not a group that I belong to, to say the least.
    So you are saying beretta doesn't have any credibility with you because they sell a fake suppressor as well? They sell a barrel shroud for the cx4 carbine that looks like a suppressor. Colt lent their name to some really shitty 22 rifles that look like the ar.

    Personally I don't get the fake suppressors either. Same can be said for the 37mm launchers as most people will have no use for them. Thing is people do like them and buy them. I can't fault spikes for selling them in the same way I can't fault beretta for selling that suppressor looking shroud for the cx4.

    For the logo's who really cares. If you are building a gun off a lower does it really matter as long as the lower is in spec? I have a zombie lower from a local ffl that is sbr'd. Mega made the lower, I just liked how it has Va on the side of it. People like to make their stuff with logos they like. Be it with stickers or whatever. I wouldn't fault a vendor for doing this. Same way I don't fault smith and wesson for making pink grips for some of their guns. Do those pink grips that they make mean they target the consumer? Yes and no. That product does, it doesn't mean others are though.

    Edit: For the record I don't own anything from spikes. I do own products from colt and Beretta. I also own some smith and wesson guns. For all three of them though I haven't bought the crap I listed above.
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    I don't care. Buy whatever you want. I know I won't buy anything from Spike's, and it isn't because of a logo. Everyone who has one of their products defends them, big surprise. I, for one, don't feel that their business practices are ethical. I speak to that with my money as a consumer.

    BTW, look into their first attempt at a real suppressor - what a joke. The way they promoted that thing is a good indication of how they do business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinlessorrow View Post
    I do no support spikes because their owner has showed poor business practices on TOS, like calling companies liars while under his spikes name only to be proven he was wrong, ive also seen him call out and personally insult users on TOS. Thos are practices I do no wish to support.
    I hadn't caught up to current on this thread before my last reply, but I agree with this. I don't see behavior like this from operations like Colt, Daniel Defense, or BCM, to name a few. Hanging around on TOS and sniping at individuals is pretty pathetic for a business in spike's position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by everyusernametaken View Post
    BTW, look into their first attempt at a real suppressor - what a joke. The way they promoted that thing is a good indication of how they do business.
    Where's the promotional information? I would like to check it out. I never look into spike's much so I never see these things. (promotional materials)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Casull View Post
    Where's the promotional information? I would like to check it out. I never look into spike's much so I never see these things. (promotional materials)
    Iposted about it a long time ago so it is probably archived over there now, but I remember it was something like they put down the other suppressor companies by saying something like, if we can achieve 40db reduction we don't know why no one else can, we must be better than them. It was along those lines.
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    Colt builds War Horses, not show ponies.
    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    This is 2012. The world is going to end this December and people are still trying to debate the merits of piece of shit, cost cutting crap AR's. Really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinlessorrow View Post
    Iposted about it a long time ago so it is probably archived over there now, but I remember it was something like they put down the other suppressor companies by saying something like, if we can achieve 40db reduction we don't know why no one else can, we must be better than them. It was along those lines.
    Can we see it?

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