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Thread: Army to Re-Bid M4 Contract

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinlessorrow View Post
    As to the XM8 program everything I have read on practically every website has said the gun sucked.
    Never even picked one up in person did you? Something tells me you haven't been involved in large scale weapon procurement or testing either. It would explain why you don't understand what I'm saying. Guys who have know exactly what I'm getting at.

    Nothing wrong with that, opinions are based off perspective and experiences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stickman View Post
    Never even picked one up in person did you? Something tells me you haven't been involved in large scale weapon procurement or testing either. It would explain why you don't understand what I'm saying. Guys who have know exactly what I'm getting at.

    Nothing wrong with that, opinions are based off perspective and experiences.
    I never have used the XM8, but I have seen the opinions of those who have and they seem to be negative.

    One thing to remember is that those of us who are not apart of all the selecting of stuff all we have to go on is the word of others. All of the information is incredibly secretive and none is released to the public, so all we have to go on is the word of those who did the testing. In this case PEO Soldier.
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    This is 2012. The world is going to end this December and people are still trying to debate the merits of piece of shit, cost cutting crap AR's. Really?

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    A good point was made over on WeaponEvolution about this topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinlessorrow View Post
    As to the XM8 program everything
    "It must be true! It was written on Internet!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by montrala View Post
    "It must be true! It was written on Internet!"
    Nvm I wont go there with you Montrala.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    Colt builds War Horses, not show ponies.
    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    This is 2012. The world is going to end this December and people are still trying to debate the merits of piece of shit, cost cutting crap AR's. Really?

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    They should just go with bcm. Forget the bids!

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    Quote Originally Posted by markm View Post
    A good point was made over on WeaponEvolution about this topic.

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    Colt Defense is staring at bankruptcy if they can't offset loss of army sales with international and commercial orders.

    It is a very dysfunctional situation, to say the least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 30 cal slut View Post
    Colt Defense is staring at bankruptcy if they can't offset loss of army sales with international and commercial orders.

    It is a very dysfunctional situation, to say the least.
    Colt isn't the only Defense Contractor looking at bankruptcy, that's why all major programs are being protested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sinlessorrow View Post
    Same could be said for anything though, if you look at it like that no testing on this earth is fair and everyone cheats for their benefit. As to the XM8 program everything I have read on practically every website has said the gun sucked.

    Company X wants to show their gun is better can company Y's, so they set it up to show this. on the other hand company Y has a test showing their weapon is better than company X, so how do we exactly go about finding something better when everything can be tainted and probably will be? even outside sources can favor one to the other and lean the test that way. This falls into the whole new BCG, Each company says how their is better in their testing, yet in military testing this was proven false. So who do we believe and how do we find the truth?

    I can also say that personal experiences with those fancy coatings has been less than stellar leading to my BCG completely seizing up, this never happened on a standard BCG. This video demonstrates what I had happen with those fancy coatings.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Flju7NvWJ3c

    I will also say that I do not see the top names in the industry pushing the fancy coatings, most still use standard phosphate so that is also telling.
    All that video hows is that you should probably use a couple drops of lube.

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    What happened to the gas piston operated M6 which was supposed to replace the M4? Why aren't we supplying our troops with the best weapons money can buy?
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