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    Quote Originally Posted by plex View Post
    Colt lose contract because the high price.

    FN sell M4 average $650 to army.

    Colt sell 1911 average $5000 (yes, that is five grand) to USMC.
    Front line personnel need a weapon that will get them out of the other end of whatever they are facing. What is stamped on the receiver doesn't matter, so long as the weapon works. A receiver can be stamped with a horse, a snake, an aardark or Elmer Fudd, it doesn't matter. A rifle is a tool, not a shrine.

    Example: Colt made a lot of 1911 pistols. Mine had Singer stamped on the slide and it did not shoot any worse than the Colts.

    Priority 1 is to provide our front line personnel with a reliable carbine. Priority 2 is to get the best bang for the buck for our tax dollar.

    Don't forget what happened to the Tiger Shark fighter jet that Chuck Yeager said the military should buy at a considerable savings over the F-15. Politics prevailed and we paid a ton of money for the F-15, which was marginally better than the Tiger Shark.
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    Quote Originally Posted by plex View Post
    From this page

    http://www.gunsandammo.com/2012/07/2...-marine-corps/

    22.5M for 4K pistols. Maybe they include 100 mags per pistol? j/k.
    Thats not 22mil for 4,000. Its up to $22 million for up to 12,000 M45 handguns.
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    This is 2012. The world is going to end this December and people are still trying to debate the merits of piece of shit, cost cutting crap AR's. Really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by T2C View Post
    Front line personnel need a weapon that will get them out of the other end of whatever they are facing. What is stamped on the receiver doesn't matter, so long as the weapon works. A receiver can be stamped with a horse, a snake, an aardark or Elmer Fudd, it doesn't matter. A rifle is a tool, not a shrine.

    Example: Colt made a lot of 1911 pistols. Mine had Singer stamped on the slide and it did not shoot any worse than the Colts.

    Priority 1 is to provide our front line personnel with a reliable carbine. Priority 2 is to get the best bang for the buck for our tax dollar.

    Don't forget what happened to the Tiger Shark fighter jet that Chuck Yeager said the military should buy at a considerable savings over the F-15. Politics prevailed and we paid a ton of money for the F-15, which was marginally better than the Tiger Shark.
    Excellent post. $650 per M4A1 with the RIS is a great price. I imagine when they select the new FF rail price will remain the same given the price of the RIS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by plex View Post
    I have no problem paying my tax dollar to our soldiers.

    My problem is i do not believe a single stack 1911 can get our soldier out of the situation quickly enough.
    Marines have been using 1911's for a long time but it was getting to much to keep up and these M45A1's are not hand fit 1911's thus making them easier to repair.
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    This is 2012. The world is going to end this December and people are still trying to debate the merits of piece of shit, cost cutting crap AR's. Really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinlessorrow View Post
    Are they allowed to use hammer forge barrels?
    Anyone know the answer to this? I guess it depends on how specific the TDP is regarding the barrel. FN is well known for their hammer forged barrels. It would be a shame if they're couldn't use them on these M4's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T2C View Post

    Don't forget what happened to the Tiger Shark fighter jet that Chuck Yeager said the military should buy at a considerable savings over the F-15. Politics prevailed and we paid a ton of money for the F-15, which was marginally better than the Tiger Shark.
    Chuck Yeager was a badass and he did down a Me262 but he was wrong on this point. The F-15 is better in every quantifiable way over the Tiger Shark except price. The F-15 has a 108-0 kill ratio. No other fighter in history can claim this kind of record. The poor man's F-16 would not have fared as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vereceleritas View Post
    Anyone know the answer to this? I guess it depends on how specific the TDP is regarding the barrel. FN is well known for their hammer forged barrels. It would be a shame if they're couldn't use them on these M4's.
    I know Gran mentioned Colt did a test between their Canadian barrels and theirs made here and found little to no difference.
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    This is 2012. The world is going to end this December and people are still trying to debate the merits of piece of shit, cost cutting crap AR's. Really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by plex View Post
    Colt lose contract because the high price.

    FN sell M4 average $650 to army.

    Colt sell 1911 average $5000 (yes, that is five grand) to USMC.
    That number includes a lot more than just the gun itself, you know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warp View Post
    That number includes a lot more than just the gun itself, you know.
    As mentioned earlier, it's also not correct. It seems that a lot of people had trouble reading and understanding the various news stories on the M45 contract. The contract is for up to 12,000 pistols and has a potential value of $22.5 million. The actual price per unit is ~ $1875, and that includes manufacture, delivery, spare parts, and logistical support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auto426 View Post
    As mentioned earlier, it's also not correct. It seems that a lot of people had trouble reading and understanding the various news stories on the M45 contract. The contract is for up to 12,000 pistols and has a potential value of $22.5 million. The actual price per unit is ~ $1875, and that includes manufacture, delivery, spare parts, and logistical support.
    I think people just do not know how to read now days. $1875 is a good price for a 1911, especially when it comes with spare parts and logistical support. Combine that with the fact that it is a 1911 that does not require hand fitting.
    Last edited by sinlessorrow; 02-25-13 at 23:54.
    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    Colt builds War Horses, not show ponies.
    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    This is 2012. The world is going to end this December and people are still trying to debate the merits of piece of shit, cost cutting crap AR's. Really?

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