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    Ill get a lot of flack for this statement but I really dont care.

    I dont post here that often but I do lurk a bit.

    First I have 2 CMMG lowers (they wont get my business ever again but it has nothing to the quality of their parts) Ive used 5 for builds all good quality.

    Ive used a BCM no problem there, they in my dealings are GREAT to deal with.

    My next will be a Mega just cause I like what I hear.

    I am going to buy a couple PSAs just cause they are cheap next time they have a sale.....

    Now. IF YOU FREAKING GAVE ME A COLT I WOULD SELL IT.

    I DESPISE that company because their business practices SUCK.
    That Colt still gets any business from us much less the diehard wont buy anything else fans amazes me.
    If it wasnt for our Govt buying guns from them they would be out of business.
    They screw up the mounting (big pin vs small pin) due to CIVILIAN usage... They have made statements that "they are not concerned with civilian sales.... they basically GIVE the 1911 marked away and NEVER until they lose the market share listen to the public. They quit making the Python, they quit making the single action....

    So they $HIT on the civilian market at every turn and then realize, hey no one remembers any of it ....They'll still be lap dogs and buy...and WE BUY THEIR STUFF.... No thanks

    Oh and I have two in my safe, both came from my late grandfather and thats the ONLY reason they are still there.

    No different than Ruger and their mag crap that everyone forgot.
    Rant mode off. Did I mention I hate that freakin company.


    Larry

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    Quote Originally Posted by eperk View Post
    Well, getting back on topic. I know I WON'T be buying a CMMG lower!
    This thread is funny, after the way they treated a friend, I would NEVER buy a CMMG anything!

    I introduced my buddy to Ar 15's, I instructed him on where to get his upper and his lower online. He had to wait over a month and had numerous issues getting his upper from a company I won't name. Then he was told twice that his lower had shipped, then on the day his upper finally shipped, the company called him and admitted that they had not sent his lower. So he cancelled the lower order.

    With his upper in transit, he was in a hurry to get a lower so I advised him to go to a LGS and buy a CMMG complete lower that they had in stock.

    While waiting to get his ar parts, my buddy had purchased every piece of FDE, Magpul, crap known to man. So as soon as he got the lower home, he began to drive out the trigger guard pin, so that he could install an FDE, Magpul, extended, trigger guard. Wouldn't you know, after 2 taps with hammer and punch, the lower broke/snapped right behind the trigger guard where the pins insert.

    It looked like a weakness in the forging. the break was very clean. Hey, it happens, so he called CMMG, they told him to FOAD, it wasn't their issue. they said that he must have abused the lower. He had it for all of an hour and it hadn't even seen an upper at that point. The LGS reluctantly split the cost of a new lower with him and installed the parts for him.

    Interesting that CMMG cs has been so crappy to so many.
    Last edited by StarJumper; 10-21-12 at 03:10.

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    The trigger guard ears need to be supported when driving out the trigger guard roll pin.
    A common beginner mistake is to snap off one of these ears.
    It would have happened regardless of the maker.

    BTW, CMMG has nothing to do with the forging process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StarJumper View Post
    So as soon as he got the lower home, he began to drive out the trigger guard pin, so that he could install an FDE, Magpul, extended, trigger guard. Wouldn't you know, after 2 taps with hammer and punch, the lower broke/snapped right behind the trigger guard where the pins insert.

    It looked like a weakness in the forging. the break was very clean. Hey, it happens, so he called CMMG, they told him to FOAD, it wasn't their issue. they said that he must have abused the lower. He had it for all of an hour and it hadn't even seen an upper at that point. The LGS reluctantly split the cost of a new lower with him and installed the parts for him.

    Or maybe because your friend had and/or has no idea of what he's doing when he starts pounding on things. Next time he should try supporting the ears.

    Lots of people have done that with all types of lowers.....because they didn't know what they were doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scoutfsu99 View Post
    Or maybe because your friend had and/or has no idea of what he's doing when he starts pounding on things. Next time he should try supporting the ears.

    Lots of people have done that with all types of lowers.....because they didn't know what they were doing.
    The guy works in a machine shop and is one of the handiest people I've ever met. He used a proper punch set and a piece of wood to support the ears. But... thanks for the 'free' advice captain omniscient...

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    I assembled a CMMG lower about a year and a half ago. I didn't really have any problems with it but it just did not like any of my BCM uppers. I don't really care about wobble that much but it was so excessive that it drove me crazy. It fit my buddies RGuns (DPMS) upper like it was made for it. Go figure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarJumper View Post
    The guy works in a machine shop and is one of the handiest people I've ever met. He used a proper punch set and a piece of wood to support the ears. But... thanks for the 'free' advice captain omniscient...
    It's very possible that the trained monkey at CMMG weakened the part during the initial installation of the original trigger guard.

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    My buddies and I have bought and built at least 6 LRB Lowers with 0 problems,,and we have used LPK from Model 1 Sales (Yea I know,,,but it was a long time ago before I "knew" ) to Daniel Defense and all have gone together great and all are still running today !! All of these Lowers were from 3 or 4 years ago to one from just last year. All were the same,,,excellent. I think LRB still is offering them on there website for under $100 bucks,,pretty fair deal I think . I have had equal sucsess with PSA lowers,,we have also bought about 6 of them throught the years and all were fine !!

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    At about 100$ OTD,
    I have been happy with AeroPrecision, PSA, and Anderson Manufacturing stripped lowers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scoutfsu99 View Post
    Or maybe because your friend had and/or has no idea of what he's doing when he starts pounding on things. Next time he should try supporting the ears.

    Lots of people have done that with all types of lowers.....because they didn't know what they were doing.
    NTM a typical hardware store "punch" will actually widen the pins, basically expanding them even more in the hole, making it basically take 10x's the strength to push one out.
    Funny as trigger guard pins shouldn't take more than a couple taps from say a screw driver on a flat rod to get the pin out. I bet he had a hammer and cracked the thing twice very hard, and then realized he cracked the hell out of his receiver.

    I just prefer not to use ancient roll pins in the first place, and just tap out everything I want to secure and use set screws with expanding ends on them. Job done...

    Quote Originally Posted by StarJumper View Post
    This thread is funny, after the way they treated a friend, I would NEVER buy a CMMG anything!

    I introduced my buddy to Ar 15's, I instructed him on where to get his upper and his lower online. He had to wait over a month and had numerous issues getting his upper from a company I won't name. Then he was told twice that his lower had shipped, then on the day his upper finally shipped, the company called him and admitted that they had not sent his lower. So he cancelled the lower order.

    With his upper in transit, he was in a hurry to get a lower so I advised him to go to a LGS and buy a CMMG complete lower that they had in stock.

    While waiting to get his ar parts, my buddy had purchased every piece of FDE, Magpul, crap known to man. So as soon as he got the lower home, he began to drive out the trigger guard pin, so that he could install an FDE, Magpul, extended, trigger guard. Wouldn't you know, after 2 taps with hammer and punch, the lower broke/snapped right behind the trigger guard where the pins insert.

    It looked like a weakness in the forging. the break was very clean. Hey, it happens, so he called CMMG, they told him to FOAD, it wasn't their issue. they said that he must have abused the lower. He had it for all of an hour and it hadn't even seen an upper at that point. The LGS reluctantly split the cost of a new lower with him and installed the parts for him.

    Interesting that CMMG cs has been so crappy to so many.

    And the "works at a machine shop comment" I knew plenty of asians who I went to trade school with that "work in machine shops" that can barely tie their shoes in the morning, let alone know how to use proper tools. So basically, right tools, a block of wood (smart, being wood will ruin the finish on a receiver... tells me the guy is a sharp cookie), doesn't make it a reality that he knows what he is doing.

    Also, so, he had an upper coming, that suddenly meant he HAD, yes HAD with all urgency, a lower to put it on. Hate to say it, but anyone who rushes on this kind of stuff, is probably going to be the same type of guy to break the receiver once he gets it, because he's madly rushing to get it assembled.. probably so he can just sit it on his table and look at it the next few weeks.

    My question is, if he is a "Machinist" and a "good one" why didn't he just get an 80%er, and just build his own? Why would any "good machinist" stoop to "rushing" anything in the end, as machinists generally have loads of patience, especially when it comes to doing stuff right?
    Last edited by discreet; 11-28-12 at 01:58.
    From TOS ... "buy the shit out of that thing, all the mil spec is just nonsense."

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