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    Quote Originally Posted by markm View Post
    If the Marine Corps went with one of those Homo match boy tubes, I'd shit myself.
    You mean like the USMC Combat Shooting Team uses on thier A4s?

    So you're agaisnt Marines getting a handguard that would be and feel lighter, improve the MOA and handling? Sounds about right.



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    Quote Originally Posted by theblackknight View Post
    You mean like the USMC Combat Shooting Team uses on thier A4s?

    So you're agaisnt Marines getting a handguard that would be and feel lighter, improve the MOA and handling? Sounds about right.



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    Thats not what he said. A DD OMega 12 is lighter, ff and will improve moa and is a quad rail.
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    Speaking as a former Marine, I don't think detachable-rail handguards would be a good idea either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markm View Post
    A little more meat on the barrel wouldn't be too bad.. as long as it wasn't a full HBAR profile.
    Given the military's thick-brained conservatism, I would guess the barrel would be the same diameter as the M4A1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wild_wild_wes View Post
    Speaking as a former Marine, I don't think detachable-rail handguards would be a good idea either.

    It wouldn't be for any large agency or organization. Issued gear with small pieces is often lost or misplaced. Guys who can't figure out why have evidently never served.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wild_wild_wes View Post
    I don't understand the attachment to the 20" barrel, especially with 18" Mk12s as an issue waepon.
    Simple - cost. There is no way in hell that the USMC would issue Mk12s to every Marine in lieu of the M16. There is no money for that and there is no manpower to support it. The A4 (and further evolutions) is cheap, effective, and easy to support.

    I don't mean this in a bad way, but Marines take the need for concept of "soldier proof" to a whole new level. They are tough guys who work up to their eyeballs in shit, so none of their gear can be fragile or complicated. A tactical match or "3-Gun" setup would be down in no time under "normal" operating conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by interfan View Post
    Simple - cost. There is no way in hell that the USMC would issue Mk12s to every Marine in lieu of the M16. There is no money for that and there is no manpower to support it. The A4 (and further evolutions) is cheap, effective, and easy to support.
    Not what I meant. The general issue rifle has a longer barrel than the specialist pecision rifle. Makes no sense.
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    I think they need the longer barrels because in both Iraq and Afghanistan, the insurgents are often times further out than 400M and high up in elevation. The longer barrel will give the rifle a little more reach and they're betting the next time - it will be in similar environments and planning equipment mix to address that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wild_wild_wes View Post
    Not what I meant. The general issue rifle has a longer barrel than the specialist pecision rifle. Makes no sense.
    Look at total cost of ownership, not just the individual weapon costs. If the USMC changes to a shorter barrel, then they have to get new racks, new vehicle mounts, new shipping containers, make more changes, obsolete a bunch of ancillary components that they would have to repurchase, etc.

    For a small service branch, it is a costly proposition and disproportionately more expensive than say for the Army or Navy to make changes since they have a much smaller budget/man to begin with. If they were going to make all of the changes, they could just switch to a MK16/17 or IAR or something as the costs would be equally unaffordable.

    Not to threadjack or move off-topic to a political rant, but the Marine Corps should have more money as it has been proven that they can do things much more efficiently and with much less waste than Big Army. If sequestration goes through, they're scheduled to be taking a huge hit; but the politics of that with the current admin is another topic entirely. /rant
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    Heavy profile in a 20" tube is not a good idea due to extra weight. The MK12 has shown that an 18" tube coupled with quality ammo can get the job done at distance. IMO the 18" tube is a good balance point between getting a good stiff cross section for accuracy and heat tolerance without making for a boat anchor. Although its still heavy enough when you have to tote the thing for days on end.

    Personally I'd like to see them go with an 18" SPR profile as the current tubes get replaced. Not everyone needs the Douglas match grade barrel and the profile can be had cost effectively from other makers in either SST or ChromeMoly.

    Rifle length free float rails can be implemented immediately and would still work when the tubes are swapped out. Same for the A5 stock.

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