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    I don't judge people's roll marks because I do not care what they are using. Be it zombies or pink lowers with dildo roll marks, just be safe around me at the range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ralph View Post
    I try not to judge others by looking at their AR's..That said, I also pretty much quit giving advice when asked.. Reason being, no one listened..In the past I've had several co-workers ask me about AR's. I'd tell them what I knew, (basically, get a Colt, DD, BCM,etc,) I've even printed whole copy's of "The Chart" and given them out and told them to read before buying...what happens? they buy a Bushmaster, DPMS, Oly, etc..(It's just as good!) and of course, they also swing by the accessory isle at the gun shop, and load up on UTG shit, because it's just as good and soooo much cheaper.. As has been mentioned, you can't tell people with this mindset anything..most of the time they get defensive over their purchase, and are unwilling to learn..

    Now, I understand that people buy stuff like this because it's all they can afford, That's one thing..But when you buy your rifle,accessories, based solely on price,(How cheap can I get it for..and you can easily afford good kit) Then, I'm at a loss..
    QFT. Same with me. I have tried to help friends with their AR purchases and have just been left disappointed. Out of 5 friends last year that bought a rifle only one bought a DD. The other four were a collection of BM and Doublestar. I've learned they will just buy the cheapest thing the can find.

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    I can say i was pretty much one of those who used to think an gun is a gun. My first was a Ruger P95 (or was it 85?) I bought it back in 01. Got some kind of a cheesy OWB holster, with zero retention, for it and called it good enough. Later i traded it on a Taurus PT145, bought a Taurus 100 (the Beretta .40 copy), a DE .50 and a 6in S&W 629 44mag. Looking back at it it was all because they were "cool". Ill even admit that i carried the Desert Eagle in a shoulder holster and even once tried carrying the DE and the S&W 629 in a double shoulder holster! :banghead::banghead: The only normal gun i had was the compact CZ75. All these guns have been sold off long ago after i actually started to do research and evaluate how practical they were. Today the only one i have left from that time in my life is my Polish TT33 pre ttc.

    This was all before i knew or realized that i could do research online in places like this.

    Today its still hard to get quality training. I work 6 days a week and taking off a few days to drive/fly to another state, rent a room and pay for a class, plus ammo and everything else is just not possible for me at this time or the near future. And all the ranges here is either indoor or outdoor static shooting, or worse, only bench.so what i try and do is drive out to the sticks to a state game land early Sunday mornings before anyone else is there and practice what ive seen or read about here. As for my guns, they are now all practical, like G19/17, M&Ps, HKs, quality AR/AK. Still have some surplus rifles. If Im in a market for a different weapon I figure out how much i can spend and the do a to of research. Sometimes it turns out that what i want isnt realistic and i move on.

    What i find to be the biggest problem is knowing how good the info is from the guy who's talking to me. He might just be speaking out of his ass or he might know what he's talking about.



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    You know, this sorta sterotype runs both directions. Lot of folks I see at local ranges bust out the Noveske, KAC, LaRue so people can look and validate them and their purchase with all the "nice rifle" comments. Just because you drop a shitton of coin on a rollmark, doesn't mean you can shoot any better (or worse) than the slob with a DPMS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    The roll marks on their lower or the parts on their gun??? I occasionally stick my head into the custom build forum, AR pic thread, etc and when I see a pirate, a zombie, bio hazard symbol or two male organs trying to crush a bug I immediately think the following things about the owner:

    1. Owns an AR because "it is cool!"
    2. Has never attended professional taught training class.
    3. Probably has no idea what they are talking about.
    4. Thinks that Wolf and Tula makes "good" ammo.
    5. Thinks that it is possible that there will actually be a zombie apocalypse.


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    Actually I own a Colt and don't give a rip what other people pack. Some are gear queers for sure with ten pound rifles packing night scopes and IR illuminators. Heck I even saw the Nuge with a pink and black striped AR.


    All my guns are either for hunting or defense. I don't play gun games but have no opinion of those who do.

    You're possibly right though in that few with AR's ever take the time, effort and money to learn how to effectively run their weapon. And that is a shame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    You assume they shoot. I do not make this assumption.
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    Not being in the firearms business, I used to make this assumption all the time. It didn't take long in the civilian sector to get taught a few hard lessons.

    Having said that, I don't care what anyone runs if they can do it safely and well. I've found that most people are unsafe in my presence because no one ever taught them differently. They were never 'trained/taught' and don't even know what up/down range means. Most of them tend to shoot lower end carbines and usually end up being frustrated by common malfunctions and maintenance items.

    More than anything, I tend to feel sorry for them and try to help whenever I am able.

    Hey, at least they are out firing a weapon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nineteenkilo View Post
    Not being in the firearms business, I used to make this assumption all the time. It didn't take long in the civilian sector to get taught a few hard lessons.

    Having said that, I don't care what anyone runs if they can do it safely and well. I've found that most people are unsafe in my presence because no one ever taught them differently. They were never 'trained/taught' and don't even know what up/down range means. Most of them tend to shoot lower end carbines and usually end up being frustrated by common malfunctions and maintenance items.

    More than anything, I tend to feel sorry for them and try to help whenever I am able.

    Hey, at least they are out firing a weapon.
    Speaking of people that don't shoot, but are thought to shoot a lot is LE! The majority of the LE around me shoot 62rds a year (because they have too). Most Civy's think that Cops are Ninja's with a firearm. If they only knew!


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    Quote Originally Posted by devinsdad View Post
    You know, this sorta sterotype runs both directions. Lot of folks I see at local ranges bust out the Noveske, KAC, LaRue so people can look and validate them and their purchase with all the "nice rifle" comments. Just because you drop a shitton of coin on a rollmark, doesn't mean you can shoot any better (or worse) than the slob with a DPMS.
    This. I have seen both sides as well. I tend not to look at roll marks but rather the actual parts. You can put a Del-Ton kit on a BCM lower just as easy as BCM parts on a Oly lower.

    I see some guys that shoot some nice guns, OBR's and what not that cannot shoot it worth a crap. Likewise, I know guys that have parts that they don't even know who makes them and they can shoot lights out.

    But yes, I do stereotype until that point because until you see them shoot, the kind of gun they own is the only knowledge you are working with

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    Quote Originally Posted by chadil1ac View Post
    You can put a Del-Ton kit on a BCM lower just as easy as BCM parts on a Oly lower.
    Actually the parts likely wouldn't fit in an OLY lower. They never have the holes in the right place.... let alone the right size...
    "You people have too much time on your hands." - scottryan

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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    Speaking of people that don't shoot, but are thought to shoot a lot is LE! The majority of the LE around me shoot 62rds a year (because they have too). Most Civy's think that Cops are Ninja's with a firearm. If they only knew!
    Yep. When we take a class, the instructors have said they're glad to have students who WANT to be there instead of their usual class that HAS to be there.
    "You people have too much time on your hands." - scottryan

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