Kel-Tec KSG

[ryr8828]

So, which one came first, chicken or egg?

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/inde...category_id=23

Neither, the Neostad predates them both.

[Doc. Holiday]

The concept was great! The gun is utter garbage! The durability on that thing is like a cheapo walmart airsoft gun. You can find a ton of reports of people snapping the rail off when they put a fore grip on it and many have had feeding issues with it. Recoil magazine did an article on it and complained that it kicked like a mule.

Way too many cons to make me buy that gun.

[SilverTongueDevil]

Polymer bullpup next to my face, from a company not known for producing consistent quality long guns? Pass.

PASS same boat as cheap airsoft guns
POS 10 for sure usually OP people grade the exact opposite

[MFWIC2]

So for me to get rid of my Glock 22 RMR'D w/ Trijicon Suppressor NS, Surefire X300 and 4 mags would be a dumb ass move.
I should keep my Glock and forget about the KSG.

[DMR]

So, which one came first, chicken or egg?

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/inde...category_id=23

The Winter SWATRIPLEX came first followed by the Neostead shotguns. John Winters shotgun was a semiauto feeding from two mag tubes under the barrel in the 70's was a US design. Other than some prototypes it never saw production, and I have been looking for additional info off and on for some time.

Consortium W (Winter) SWATriplex-18 prototype 12-gauge semi-automatic combat shotgun

Designed in the late 1970s specifically as a combat shotgun by John W Winter, the SWATriplex-18 had a number of unusual features, some of which appeared in later shotguns. Unfortunately, the company which was supposed to manufacture the weapon (Consortium W), pulled out after only a few prototypes were built and Winter was never able to attract anyone else to manufacture, let alone buy his unusual shotgun.

The SWATriplex-18 used a semi-bullpup design using twin tubular magazines under a single barrel. Feed could be from one magazine at a time, or alternately between the right and left magazines. Operation was semiautomatic, using gas operation and something quite unusual in a shotgun, a telescoping bolt. Construction was with a combination of light alloys and steel (for the barrel and where strength was critical). The 22-inch barrel was surrounded by a shroud/handguard which was ventilated for cooling. The SWATriplex-18 has ejection ports on both sides of the weapon; each could be sealed, and this allowed use of the weapon by both left and right-handed shooters by simply reversing the ejection direction, charging handle, and cheek rest (something most designers of bullpup weapons seem to overlook). The SWATriplex-18 used rifle-type sights on raised stands; both were adjustable for elevation and windage by knobs. (The raised sights were thought of as a potential problem, and Winter reputedly was considering either removable sights or moving the sights down to the receiver itself.) The stock was of light alloy, but the butt was synthetic with a rubber recoil pad. The top of the receiver had a carrying handle which could be folded flat against the receiver if desired.

The SWATriplex-18 was most likely a design which was way ahead of its time; many companies thought it was simply too weird-looking to sell, despite its reliability and advanced features. This may have killed the SWATriplex-18 more than anything else. Unfortunately, even the prototypes seem to have disappeared, and examples of the weapon now exist only on paper. However, the SWATriplex-18 design can be credited of a modern spawning as can surely have been a source of inspiration for the South-African designers Tony Neophytou and Heyns Stead for their highly successful Truvelo NS-2000 "NeoStead" pump-action combat shotgun
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The Hans Stead's design featured two mag tubes above the barrel in the 80's from South Africa. Truvelo has had the Neostead in low rate production for years, but Hans has not been able to find a US partner to produce them here. We went through the process once with a US producer, but they decided eventualy not to produce it. They have done the home work though, so maybe the new trends will make them relook the issue.

Truvelo Neostead

[SteveS]

So for me to get rid of my Glock 22 RMR'D w/ Trijicon Suppressor NS, Surefire X300 and 4 mags would be a dumb ass move.
I should keep my Glock and forget about the KSG.

Keep the Glock and forget the Keltec

[Steve]

funny my KSG is going strong over 2200 rounds a few hicups with wally world bulk winchester ammo......


Ill keep mine

[Cesiumsponge]

Are there any revs as production trickles on? I've heard they either run great or puke. Seems a brand new product like this with field testing from the first batch of buyers should generate enough user feedback on issues which should get fixed on subsequent productions. I was unsuccessful in finding any threads which might document this.

[darwing31]

Seems typical of keltec. Good innovation, poor execution. I'll stick to my 870. Sad because I really like the concept and size.

[Doc. Holiday]

So for me to get rid of my Glock 22 RMR'D w/ Trijicon Suppressor NS, Surefire X300 and 4 mags would be a dumb ass move.
I should keep my Glock and forget about the KSG.

Omg, yes! KEEP your setup. Something better will come up soon.