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    Federal #1 flitecontrol buckshot, patterning experiences?

    I had a chance to test some of Federal's #1 buckshot with the flitecontrol wadding. I'm curious if other folks have patterned this product and what results they got.

    It wasn't the primary goal of my trip nor did I complete an extensive test or average the results over multiple shots at the same distance. We showed up early on open land, and did some carbine work. I also took my TRG out to break it's cherry so I had several other goals to accomplish. As the day progressed, more folks showed up so getting a cold range to set up targets (I only had one target stand) became unbearably long for patterning. I didn't feel like spending 10 seconds to fire one round, then wait 15 minutes brushing snow off myself and waiting for a cold range to retrieve a wet paper target, only to repeat the process 25 times if I wanted 5 rounds at each distance. I plan to do a more extensive test when time allows or at a regular range on a weekday.

    The testing environment wasn't the best. It was 30-40F with snow flurries at 2490' and everything was getting wet or snowy. This was done out of a Remington 870 express with an 18.5", open cylinder bore. Testing yielded interesting results. The first two shots seemed to have the flitecontrol wad drop out very, very early on. It's arguable the third shot did as well. I'm not sure if this might have anything to do with any snow or water that accumulated in the muzzle while we were setting up. I did testing at 10, 20, 30, 40, and 50 yards. I should have added 5, 15, 25, and 35 yards with an averaged result.

    Here is what I got:



    Target 1 at 10 yards:
    This was the first shot. It seems the shotcup and pellets had separated very early on and the wadding was unstable. I'm guessing the bore being wet with snow and water offered some sort of resistance or obstruction which caused the wadding to go wonky and drop out of flight early on. The wadding hit the target sideways, and you can see some gunpowder smudges from the flitecontrol wad fingers striking the upper right of the paper. The shot is too dense to count but it forms a 1.65" grouping with several fliers that opened up the group.


    Target 2 at 20 yards:
    I shot at this target twice. After firing once and getting another premature shotcup separation and a shot pattern, I was feeling let down by the Flitecontrol stuff. I shot at it once more and perhaps that was enough to get rid of any excess moisture in the bore from the snow. At least...I'm willing to hang onto this as a working hypothesis as I didn't experience this problem anymore. The first shot shows premature shotcup seperation. All 15 #1 pellets are accounted for and form a concentrated 3.6" grouping, which opens up to just under 6" with the two low-hitting pellets. The second shot which was fired exhibited a single ragged hole, with shot entering at the top of the oblong hole and indications the shotcup impacted the paper target sideways. It doesn't appear the shotcup tilting sideways opened up the shot. It passed as a single mass.

    Target 3 at 20 yards:
    I decided to do one more shot. I pulled the shot but it entered the target clean. There are speckled holes from buffering materials. It looks like the wadding entered at an angle, leaving an oblong hole. Still one ragged hole with no indications of a spreading pattern.

    Target 4 at 30 yards:
    Another single ragged hole. Slight tilt of the shotcup. Buffering materials have slowed down enough that they don't make it this far or don't punch through the paper. I'm not sure if this is typical or prolonged shotcup flight because the shot opens a LOT between 30 and 40 yards with a sampling of one round.

    Target 5 at 40 yards:
    Big difference betwen 30 and 40 yards. The shotcup dropped out of flight completely. The patterning opened from nothing to the width of the target. I should have done one at 35 yards and find the intermediate point between shot being in the cup and it opening up. It's also possible that the 30 yard shot was a fluke and the wadding drops out earlier than this, typically. Like I mentioned above, I didn't do an average at each distance so one shot is hardly representative of what should happen. 14 of 15 pellets accounted for. One of the flyers misses the target with two other pellets in the D-zone. Most of the pellets are in the A-C zone of an IPSC.

    Target 6 at 50 yards:
    Only 11 of 15 pellets hit the paper, so four go missing. 10 of 15 hit the target, surprisingly most centered quite well without a donut pattern or any gaps. It isn't useful at this range but it's nice to see how it performs at extended range.

    Of course, every barrel is different and my next rig is getting an IC or mod rifle sighted police barrel. I contacted Federal and they seemed confident that an IC or Mod choked barrel will give better accuracy for their Truball slugs and not screw up the flitecontrol wadding on their buckshot.
    “The practical success of an idea, irrespective of its inherent merit, is dependent on the attitude of the contemporaries." Nikola Tesla

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    It would have been interesting to compare this to the LE132 00 buck load at the same time. I've settled on the LE/PD132 load but am interested in how the #1 buck load is working for others.

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    I have not done any hard tests, nor do I have any photos, but I am seeing better groups at all distances from the #1 than any of the #00 from both of my shotguns.

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    With their hunting loads, the Flite Control technology is ridiculously tight so I would imagine that would carry over into the defense loads as well.

    I would be curious if the temperature has negative effects on the wad.

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    I use flite control (LE 00 Buck) exclusively and I've been very happy with it. At defensive shotgun ranges (for me that's 40m or less) it works great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pakieser View Post
    I use flite control (LE 00 Buck) exclusively and I've been very happy with it. At defensive shotgun ranges (for me that's 40m or less) it works great.
    I was the same way, until I discovered the #1 load.

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    Were you using a full-power or reduced-recoil load?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cesiumsponge View Post
    Target 6 at 50 yards:
    Only 11 of 15 pellets hit the paper...
    I had to chuckle at this a bit. Considering that a standard load pattern from an IC would be ~50" at that range and the shot density so spread that you might only get a couple pellets, if any, on target, 11/15 is amazing.

    Quote Originally Posted by patrol120 View Post
    I have not done any hard tests, nor do I have any photos, but I am seeing better groups at all distances from the #1 than any of the #00 from both of my shotguns.
    Groups, or patterns? And which versions of the loads are you using: full-power or reduced-recoil?

    Quote Originally Posted by patrol120 View Post
    I was the same way, until I discovered the #1 load.
    What's the #1 load doing for you that the 00 doesn't?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RWK View Post
    Were you using a full-power or reduced-recoil load?



    I had to chuckle at this a bit. Considering that a standard load pattern from an IC would be ~50" at that range and the shot density so spread that you might only get a couple pellets, if any, on target, 11/15 is amazing.



    Groups, or patterns? And which versions of the loads are you using: full-power or reduced-recoil?



    What's the #1 load doing for you that the 00 doesn't?
    Pattern/group. I am currently working on the case of reduced recoil LE132 1B, the only Federal #1 load I am aware of. It does, however, function my 1187 100%, which is a huge bonus. With my 1187 and its IMP choke, I am able to keep all 15 pellets within a paper plate at 35 yds, all 15 within the chest cavity of our qual target at 50yd. With Low Recoil 9 pellet Flite Control, 40yd is my utmost limit, a hair over 30 with the Low Recoil stuff. Limited testing out my 14" MOD 870 looks like its going to be much the same, with perhaps a bit more usable range.

    As for what it offers....It gives me 15 pellets of comparable mass and weight, as opposed to 8 or 9. It is currently providing me with better, i.e., tighter, patterns with that increased payload. For whatever reason, the LE132 1B is more reliable in my semi auto than the other low Recoil loads. Granted, the full power LE127 is also 100% reliable, with the other LE Flite Control loads about 98%.

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    I know the #1 buck load has ideal penetration at 7 yards where the 00 buck can over penetrate. At what range does the #1 load suffer from inadequate penetration?

    If my thinking is correct, the 00 buck load holds the edge in this regard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canonshooter View Post
    I know the #1 buck load has ideal penetration at 7 yards where the 00 buck can over penetrate. At what range does the #1 load suffer from inadequate penetration?

    If my thinking is correct, the 00 buck load holds the edge in this regard.
    There doesn't seem to be any ballistic data out there on #1 since 00 has been a standard for decades. I've heard that #1 rumored to be better than 00, but never saw any substantiations besides "a little bird told me". The Federal #1 stuff was vaporware on their site for a year or so, leading to folks posting threads about #1B and others screaming about how it's not real. I hope ATK releases a new Shotshell Data Book next year with #1 making it into their 00/slug ballistics/barrier penetration comparison.

    This is more of an "on paper" calculation but:
    • LE1321B #1 buckshot contains 15 .300" diameter pellets, so it is roughly (calculating volume of the buckshot and density of lead) 1.39oz of lead. The muzzle velocity of #1B low recoil (the only variation available to my knowledge) is 1100fps.
    • LE132 00 low recoil buckshot contains 9 #00 330" diameter pellets so, 1.11oz lead at a velocity of 1145fps.
    • Based on the lead payload and factory velocity figures, 15 pellet #1 low recoil (LE1321B) has 16% more kinetic energy than 9-pellet low recoil 00 (LE132 00) despite having 4% more velocity, because #1 buck ends up having 25% more mass.


    9-pellet LE127 00 full powered buckshot at 1325fps has 16% more energy than 15 pellet #1 low recoil (LE1321B), and 34% more energy than it's 9-pellet low recoil 00 (LE132 00) little brother, which really places #1 between a full powered and low recoil 00 buckshot load, as far as energy is concerned. If Federal bumped up 15 pellet #1 low recoil to a full powered load that might theoretically run around 1300fps, that would give it 21% more energy than 9-pellet LE127 00 full powered buckshot and places it only 9% behind a full-powered 1600fps 1oz rifled slug in energy whereas the full powered 9-pellet LE127 00 is 31% behind a slug in energy.

    Of course, this is just mental masturbation. As far as ballistics...jury is out. I don't even know if anyone has done any homebrew shadetree testing or comparisons.
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