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Thread: Two LE Agencies Adopt SIG Piston Guns

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    Is there really anything techincally wrong with the 516? I haven't seen or handled one which is why I'm asking. Given that it's a Sig it will undoubtedly be overpriced compared to some of the other preferred alternatives out there like Colt, BCM, DD, etc. But price aside is it really a bad choice of AR in terms of performance? Googling reviews for it doesn't really turn up any bad feedback on it. Nothing stellar, but nothing awful either. Anyone have firsthand hard use data on it?

    I'm wondering if Sig actually put out a dog of a piston AR or if it's really just a matter of cost/benefit (and overall value) ratio being weak compared to others? In other words it may not be the best choice, and some may feel it was a poor choice, but was it actually a BAD choice?

    How bad of a choice are we talking here? Bad as in "they got suckered and could have gotten more AR for less $$" or bad as in "someone might die because of that choice"? I wouldn't think Sig products are that bad... DPMS and Olympic maybe. Also, considering that they allegedly stole the BCG design from LWRC and copied the piston design from HK how bad could it be, right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markm View Post
    Police departments can make such dumb decisions.
    Unfortunately given the state of the economy right now PDs (just like every other public service dept) are under a lot of budget pressures. It wouldn't surprise me if Sig lowballed the deals, possibly even at a loss, to secure references for their 516 line. In which case they may have gotten a great deal. A deal they may never have gotten being small and dealing with the military AR suppliers that have a steady stream of practially fixed revenue and an established AR reputation. Smaller PD SWATs would make sense too since it would be less of a loss and still worth the same marketing value. For the mass market news of any PD or SWAT unit selecting a specific platform is a big deal.
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    Me thinks the bean counter got a "good deal" from Sig,so Sig can boast that some tac teams "selected the Sig".

    My team got a "good deal"when they switched out from the MP5.

    They bought Olympic Arms. Myself and another team member told them not to do it.

    They bought 8. Everyone had MAJOR issues. Bolts snapped in half you name it.

    They finally dumped them and went with Rock River 10.5.

    No issues with those.

    I have 6 of my own that I use. Noveske, BCM, and KAC, Geissele etc. for the major parts.
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    I am not going to get into the Sig / piston etc debate, but from a pure price standpoint, I know exactly how much they are pricing them at. If you bundle them as a carbine / pistol combo, the cost is very very attractive to those in control of funds.

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    That the SIG 5.56 and 7.62 piston guns are fixed at 1999 carbine-length handguards is a no-go now that it is 2012. The long length handguards of the HK designs are one of several things that the Germans got right in making the M4 a piston gun. The SIG piston gas block design precludes ever modifying the handguards to a useful length. Not a problem with an 8.5 inch entry gun but a non-starter in this day and age for everything else.
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    I see more of your silliness prevails as usual. There is a reason why certain brands get recommended. It's because they have a track record. Since these will be used by a PD it's even more important that they function. Honestly, I hope they do because maybe one day the age of the shit AR manufacturer will go away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charmcitycop View Post
    Both. I can think of no reason why any police department should consider anything other than Colt from both a quality/cost standpoint.
    That seems a little extreme to me. There are plenty of other companies that have extremely good reputations and if they came in cheaper then colt, why not go with them.

    Now as to the sig, I do think it is a little strange for a PD to go with a piston gun. At the same time, from what I have seen, they are of good quality. I have not heard any negative reports on function. I will agree that the carbine handguard thing sucks. But if they got a good deal and they work then good for them. If they dont, well hopefully they learn their lesson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    I see more of your silliness prevails as usual. There is a reason why certain brands get recommended. It's because they have a track record. Since these will be used by a PD it's even more important that they function. Honestly, I hope they do because maybe one day the age of the shit AR manufacturer will go away.
    I honestly doubt I will ever seethat day, shit ar makers are in business because people are stupid.

    Also what a PD buys means little. Alot use bushmasters, RRA dpms, even the baltimor swat use ADCOR BEARS and tote them as the best AR ever made.
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    Colt builds War Horses, not show ponies.
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    This is 2012. The world is going to end this December and people are still trying to debate the merits of piece of shit, cost cutting crap AR's. Really?

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    Make that three...

    My agency adopted the 516 last year for patrol use and a few 716s this year. Yes, it was "cost effective" considering Sig worked a swap for our older 551 and 552 rifles. No problems with any of the rifles to date that I'm aware of.

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