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It's really a shame. Most guys went with the lesser quality to save money. I don't blame them necessarily. A quality patrol rifle is priceless in my eyes but not everyone sees it that way. Others just aren't knowledgeable enough to know better. You should see some of the optics, slings and lights that are in service. Some of it is down right frightening. We have to pick from Colt, SW, or Bushmaster. the rifle must be equipped with a sling and weapon light. There are no regs on any of the accesories though. Some guys have garbage optics, slings and lights. Just today, I inspected one of my guys rifle. His castle nut was loose.
Our agency purchased BM 16" Patrolman Carbines A3 90481 for the squads.
Thankfully our officers can use your their own rifles so long as they are a factory AR. Someone asked one of our officers one day what "brand" of AR's our department used . . . the officer's response "I don't know, I think Cobra or something like that". He was referring to the snake on the BM roll mark.
People for the love of whatever you hold holy, DO NOT put faith in a firearm solely because agencies X, Y, and Z adopted it. A majority of the command staff who make such decisions do not know their ass from a hole in the ground.
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Things could be much worse. One of the local Sheriff's departments that I interact with regularly is still rocking Mini-14's as a patrol carbine. With the budget the way it is, that won't be changing anytime soon.
When range qualification becomes mandatory for the city comptroller, such silliness will cease.![]()
- Either you're part of the problem or you're part of the solution or you're just part of the landscape - Sam (Robert DeNiro) in, "Ronin" -
The NYPD still assigned mini 14s to certain officers who were stationed in "sensitive locations" such as 1PP and the academy for high threat levels. You'd only see them when high profile threats or threat levels were reported such as during the blackout in '03. Those were throwbacks to the bygone days before the m16/m4 came on the scene for the city, when FALN and BLA scum were out trying to actively kill cops. Not sure if those guns were relatively new or old throw arounds and I can't tell you if they're still purchased from Ruger today.
For those trained in special weapons, the city has mostly stuck with MP5s, colt m4a1s and Mossberg/Ithaca shotguns, which have been stellar for the most part. But the city is not typically known for making wise equipment decisions, much like many other agencies nation wide. As others have said, even with complaints and objections from those who will actually depend on guns to save lives, bean counters and "omnipotent genius" chiefs/commissioners care only for the bottom line and know as much about guns as Carolyn "the barrel shroud" McCarthy.
I think I know little but find I know more about the firearms I carry than many dept armorers I've encountered, past and present, and if you asked me 10 years ago what AR was good I would have said bushy. This was not because I thought colt was bad but because I read a lot of gun rags and thought all these advertised and reviewed bushies, olys, dpms and the like had to be good because writers/reviewers said so. I was trying to learn and ended up learning nonsense. Now that I know better, if given the choice, I'll take the DDs, BCMs, Colts, etc with my absolute favorites being my personal SR15E3/SR25 ECC combo.
But look on the bright side...some places may choose sig for cheapo deals and not know about the QC and manufacturer corner cutting but at least it's better than the ghetto special. Imagine a dept head choosing highpoints. We would actually pray thy got sigs instead and I'd laugh my balls off!![]()
Last edited by SPARTAN HOPLITE ARMS; 10-25-12 at 15:24.
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There seems to be many people who believe the sig was a terrible choice. Are people picturing them malfunctioning every 3rd round our something? how many cops ever fire their rifle aside from training? I live in nh and it seems to me that maybe once a year the police will need a rifle, and I'd be willing to bet that ANY newer rifle will function well.if your wondering,i am a vet and have trained on and have owned numerous rifles. For god sales, even the $19 grease gun that was issued in ww2 works.it seems like there are many gun store commandos here...
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I find it funny that people who defend "lesser" brands are ALWAYS the one to call people "Gun store commandos" or "mall ninjas". It's pretty funny because they are also the ones who hang 101 different accessories off from their DPMS and spend more on their optic than the rest of their rifle combined.
Just because people on this forum demand the best does not make anyone a "gun store commando". To me a "gun store commando" or "mall ninja" is the guy who preaches that DPMS and RRA are equal to a Colt.
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