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Thread: Is the RRA CAR or Mid-length really that bad?

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    I would like to commend mistwolf and buford on their gentlemanly discussion with well-thought out arguments that were typed well and worded articulately. After every post I found myself saying, "yup, thats right, that other guy couldnt possibly have a better answer for his side of the argument!" And without fail, the very next post would prove me wrong and dissuade me from one side of the discussion to the other...

    Very well done. Now to continue in the gentlemanly ways, I believe a duel is in order to decide who is right once and for all!

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    Your post is totally irrelevant to the ops post....
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    Is RRA still being contracted by the DEA to provide carbines? Years ago they were touting that fact and putting it in all their print ads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arushus View Post
    I would like to commend mistwolf and buford on their gentlemanly discussion with well-thought out arguments that were typed well and worded articulately. After every post I found myself saying, "yup, thats right, that other guy couldnt possibly have a better answer for his side of the argument!" And without fail, the very next post would prove me wrong and dissuade me from one side of the discussion to the other...

    Very well done. Now to continue in the gentlemanly ways, I believe a duel is in order to decide who is right once and for all!
    I appreciate the kudos and I'm sure Mist does as well. It's easy to respect somebody who speaks from intelligence and experience, which Mist does. Even if he and I disagree, we're not emotionally invested, so it remains civil.

    That's why this isn't arfcom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClearedHot View Post
    Is RRA still being contracted by the DEA to provide carbines? Years ago they were touting that fact and putting it in all their print ads.
    I don't believe they are. At the time RRA was contracting AR's for the DEA; Sig and Colt actually had just won significantly bigger contracts. You just didn't hear about it because RRA was touting their little facts everywhere.

    Bottom line is that RRA is not a good brand. Again, they use commercial spec receiver extensions. Yeah, seriously... commercial spec RE's and here it is almost 2013.
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    I bought my RRA two years ago. I have a little over 3000 rounds through the rifle. It has never hiccuped or had a single issue. I am not a door kicker, nor do I pretend to be one. I use the rifle at the range and for reducing the hog population. When I purchased mine, the closest Colt price wise for still $500 more. I had not heard of BCM at the time either. I do not regret my purchase. It has proven to be a dependable weapon for my uses. I suppose that it really boils down to how you want to use the rifle.

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    Given that many of the things pointed out about RRA (and other lower-tier manufacturers) are related to reliable function of the weapon, why does the commercial vs. mil-spec receiver extension really matter? If one has a stock that works and isn't concerned about having the latest, greatest mil-spec only stock then what's the difference? I've never seen any info with regards to reliability of function being affected, but this seems to be a major point for many people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by will_be View Post
    Given that many of the things pointed out about RRA (and other lower-tier manufacturers) are related to reliable function of the weapon, why does the commercial vs. mil-spec receiver extension really matter? If one has a stock that works and isn't concerned about having the latest, greatest mil-spec only stock then what's the difference? I've never seen any info with regards to reliability of function being affected, but this seems to be a major point for many people.
    Mil-spec RE's are better for numerous reasons. They are made using stronger materials. You also cannot use many of the better stocks on a commercial RE. I don't care about the "latest and greatest" but I sure do like being able to run a SOPMOD that isn't made by some joke of a company like RRA.

    Sure. You can get a high quality mil-spec RE for about $35, but the fact that they even using commercial ones in the first place is very telling, and tells you who their intended audience is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djmorris View Post
    Mil-spec RE's are better for numerous reasons. They are made using stronger materials. You also cannot use many of the better stocks on a commercial RE. I don't care about the "latest and greatest" but I sure do like being able to run a SOPMOD that isn't made by some joke of a company like RRA.

    Sure. You can get a high quality mil-spec RE for about $35, but the fact that they even using commercial ones in the first place is very telling, and tells you who their intended audience is.
    Reference for the stronger materials statement? Not trying to stir the pot, just would like solid info. There are quality-made stocks for commercial REs, so unless the particular stock you want is mil-spec, I see that as not much of an issue. I have been interested in & reading & researching ARs for about the last 8-9 yrs using this site & other sources & feel I'm fairly well-read on the platform. I just don't recall seeing any solid argument against comm. spec REs other than OD that wasn't bundled with all the other problems with guns that also have comm. spec REs. Note I said "recall"!! I'm by no means old, but I sure can't seem to remember shit these days!!
    Disclaimer: I do have a RRA lower assembly & am by no means trying to defend RRA. It was purchased in the not so distant past when it was available & I, like many others, had concerns about availability. I am well aware of it's shortcomings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by will_be View Post
    Reference for the stronger materials statement? Not trying to stir the pot, just would like solid info. There are many quality made stocks for commercial REs, so unless the particular stock you want is mil-spec, I see that as not much of an issue. I have been interested in & reading & researching ARs for about the last 8-9 yrs using this site & other sources & feel I'm fairly well-read on the platform. I just don't recall seeing any solid argument against comm. spec REs other than OD that wasn't bundled with all the other problems with guns that also have comm. spec REs. Note I said "recall"!! I'm by no means old, but I sure can't seem to remember shit these days!!
    Why limit yourself to just commercial stocks? Off the top of my head, SOPMOD's and the Troy Battle axe stock are mil-spec only. I know there are others. Meanwhile, literally every stock worth owning has a mil-spec version.

    "Real" mil-spec tubes are built from hammer forged 7075-T6 aluminum. You can buy mil-spec dimension tubes on Ebay for like $10 but they are junk and not built to proper mil-spec. Commercial tubes meanwhile are made using 6061 aluminum alloy and have higher failure rates.

    Read this thread for various pieces of info on RE's:

    http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=101

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