HD with Dogs

[Guns-up.50]

I refuse to debate any subject with a man who grabs a pistol to fight with on his home field.

Ridiculous.

I agree only if the home owner has other/better options.
There are far worse choices than a g19 we all know this,
if its all you go then go with it.

[robfromsc]

I've trained schutzhund , or should say worked with schutzhund trained dogs for 10-12 years. I train with a club and often pull some decoy duty. I guess what I have trouble explaining is that while your dog may bark and growl,posture and act all nasty, I say that 95% of the time its fear based and not defense or protection drive.

A dog is not "happy" in protection or defense drive. Its prey drive where you get the results. You can teach a dig to bite in defense drive but the results aren't the same and often the dog isnt as stable. A dog ,taught to see the threat as prey is far more aggressive, thinking and agile. Your dog HAS to be taught to fight, it has to be aught to fight with a man. It also has to be allowed to win, and shown when it ramps up the drive good things happen.

Ever see your dog chase a squirrel or a cat? Watch its tail, its held high and the dog isn't stiff, its usually loose and reactive to the preys movements. That's prey drive. A dog barking at the UPS guy isn't necessarily in prey drive, might be...depends on the dog. If you stress a young dog with defense work too early or without the proper base training you end up with a unstable dog that might not be trustable.

Sorry for the long winded crap...I dig dog training.

[markm]

I agree only if the home owner has other/better options.
There are far worse choices than a g19 we all know this,
if its all you go then go with it.

I hear you...

But this is M4Carbine.... not GlockLovers.net!

[Guns-up.50]

I hear you...

But this is M4Carbine.... not GlockLovers.net!

touche

agreed

[Ty_B]

If you get killed trying to save your dogs by attempting a one man house clearing, how is that helping the friendlies still alive in the house?

Unfortunately, and I love dogs, for the purposes of HD when the alternative is human lives lost, dogs are expendable.

[Michael2007]

My dogs know come but they go berserk when someone's at the door. Lacking an ar15 leaves my with my G19 as my next best option. With my dogs I can rely on them to direct me to the threat. I see my odds as better than one man house clearing. I see it more as moving to the threat location. I've cleared unknown threat houses. I'm not searching for a bad guy im responding to the dogs alarm.

[Failure2Stop]

My dogs know come but they go berserk when someone's at the door.

This is a training issue.

The response/alarm is good to let you know that something is up, but I train my dogs to immediate obedience to commands regardless of distraction.

[Grizzly16]

My dogs know come but they go berserk when someone's at the door. Lacking an ar15 leaves my with my G19 as my next best option. With my dogs I can rely on them to direct me to the threat. I see my odds as better than one man house clearing. I see it more as moving to the threat location. I've cleared unknown threat houses. I'm not searching for a bad guy im responding to the dogs alarm.

So.. you are:
1. Taking a sub-optimal weapon to a fight
2. Have under trained animals
3. Making poor tactical choices based on the poorly trained dogs
4. Offering no tactical advice on how to effectively over come 1-3

How is this food for thought?

[duece71]

As a dog lover, I would be fine with a dog that would bark furiously in the middle of the night to act as an alarm. I am not real keen on having a guard dog patrol my property. If the dog is "switched on" all the time, I would be concerned about it being able to distinguish between friend and foe. Some overly agressive dogs have been known to nip/bite/attack friendlies. A set up for disaster IMO. As far as using a G19 for HD, in my neighborhood, homes are not miles apart from each other. I would not be able to use a rifle for HD for fear of overpenetration issues. A G19 would be much better than a baseball bat however. Just my opinion.

[Michael2007]

I am confident in my G19 I live in rural America and most of our the burglaries out here are committed without firearms let alone body armor. My dogs are under trained and Although I work with them They are not yet where I want them to be. They're not guard dogs and i have no intention in training them to be. They are just family dogs with superior senses to mine I probably should have stated that my front door is about 10 feet away from my master bedroom door. I didn't post to attempt to teach anything as I am in no position to teach. I was just interested in starting a discussion.