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Thread: Steyr is making a piston AR-15 now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinlessorrow View Post
    Much obliged. I've never even thought about looking for the upper itself only the rifle as a whole.
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    So, quick change barrels that require only a few bolts to swap, plus a gas piston.

    Sounds a lot like the SCAR-L.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tzook View Post
    I think they missed the piston craze by about a year.....
    No kidding. I can't believe anyone would still throw good money into this bad idea.

    This gun will look great in CDNN's catalogue of guns that no one wants though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sinlessorrow View Post
    will never be possible, guns need lube thats all their is to it and the minute heat difference between DI and piston will not make a difference one way or the other regarding lubrication in a AR-15 platform rifle. When sand and other contaminates get brought into the mixture Lube is a necessity for any rifle based on the AR platform.
    Are you sure about that? I run the 7.62 H&K and what I do is replace the lube on the BCG after 300-500 rounds. I use literally 4-5 drops of oil (it is enough) which I wipe off from the BCG after few range trips and put new oil on it. I wouldn't need to, but I can't see any harm in doing so. I do it mainly to clear the brass shavings off the bolt head.

    Are you sure you could lube an AR-10 in a similar fashion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jippo View Post
    Are you sure about that? I run the 7.62 H&K and what I do is replace the lube on the BCG after 300-500 rounds. I use literally 4-5 drops of oil (it is enough) which I wipe off from the BCG after few range trips and put new oil on it. I wouldn't need to, but I can't see any harm in doing so. I do it mainly to clear the brass shavings off the bolt head.

    Are you sure you could lube an AR-10 in a similar fashion?
    Not sure about the AR-10 as I stick to 5.56 guns. I do know a few drops will easily get you by for thousands of rounds in a perfect environment with the AR-15, but if you are goin to be in a very sandy area extra lube is needed and it would be wise to wipe out the sand daily.

    In a perfect environment you can run an AR-15 bone dry for a while with no issues. I believe Mike Pannone got to around 2,400 on a bone dry system when testing things out.

    When you start adding things like sand, grass, mud, snow, ect that is when issues happen and why you should clean out that stuff daily.
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    This is 2012. The world is going to end this December and people are still trying to debate the merits of piece of shit, cost cutting crap AR's. Really?

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    Can't we just make a sticky thread, "The huge piston AR bashing thread" for example, where the people who feel the need to bash piston AR designs can blow off some steam every now and then? Instead of having every thread regarding a new product accumulating a shitload of posts, saying the following ad nauseum:

    -Piston AR's are stupid/suck/<insert adjective here> bla bla bla
    -All guns need lube, even pistons...bla bla bla
    -Temperature differences between DI and piston is minute....bla bla bla

    Everbody knows that the oprod design incorporated to the AR platform is viewed as unnecessary, with little to no benefit and a lack of industry standard, here on M4C. But honestly, having this happen in every god damn thread is getting quite old and reminiscent of other less professional boards.

    Based on all of the threads on this board about DI AR's experiencing problems, one could draw some pretty damning conclusions about that system as well. But, as we all know, most problems stem from user error/incompetence, lower quality parts, worn or damaged parts, bad ammunition etc. Not the operating system.

    It's getting ridiculous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arctic1 View Post
    Can't we just make a sticky thread, "The huge piston AR bashing thread" for example, where the people who feel the need to bash piston AR designs can blow off some steam every now and then? Instead of having every thread regarding a new product accumulating a shitload of posts, saying the following ad nauseum:

    -Piston AR's are stupid/suck/<insert adjective here> bla bla bla
    -All guns need lube, even pistons...bla bla bla
    -Temperature differences between DI and piston is minute....bla bla bla

    Everbody knows that the oprod design incorporated to the AR platform is viewed as unnecessary, with little to no benefit and a lack of industry standard, here on M4C. But honestly, having this happen in every god damn thread is getting quite old and reminiscent of other less professional boards.

    Based on all of the threads on this board about DI AR's experiencing problems, one could draw some pretty damning conclusions about that system as well. But, as we all know, most problems stem from user error/incompetence, lower quality parts, worn or damaged parts, bad ammunition etc. Not the operating system.

    It's getting ridiculous.
    The day quality, well supported piston guns cost the same or within a small amount of DI ARs is when the (rational) bitching will stop.

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    Not to mention all quick change barrekls have some form of POI shift which is not wanted on a carbine.
    For a unit utilizing an armory concept, swapping barrels based on METT-TC analysis and re-zero before mission launch could be more cost effective than having two separate uppers (short/long barrel). re-zeroing is not going to be a time consuming process, and POI change is not going to be extreme.

    It is most likely not meant as an in-mission barrel swap feature, or utilizing the carbine as a sustained fire support platform.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Littlelebowski View Post
    The day quality, well supported piston guns cost the same or within a small amount of DI ARs is when the (rational) bitching will stop.
    Don't you think the mindset ruins potentially good discussions, though? Here we have people bashing the Steyr AR piston design, with the participants in the discussion probably never having been even remotely close to one.
    Last edited by Arctic1; 11-28-12 at 11:49.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arctic1 View Post
    Don't you think the mindset ruins potentially good discussions, though? Here we have people bashing the Steyr AR piston design, with the participants in the discussion probably never having been even remotely close to one.
    Yeah, that's a fair point. However, the price is a killer for piston guns. That being said, maybe Steyr will make a piston gun that doesn't cost as much as an Aimpoint+quality DI gun.

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