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Thread: Steyr is making a piston AR-15 now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casull View Post
    Jason, it's spam/trolling. TFB actually might get more classy soon, too.. which is the irony.

    On topic:

    Will this be a contender against the 416 or are quick change barrels not important?
    I would say not inportant. I have never seen it requested for any serious competition yet.
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    Some comments of one of the developers:

    There is no POI shift if you dismount and mount the same barrel. There might be some shift with other barrels (same length). And there are shifts for sure if you change the barrel length.

    Why a (real and quick) barrel changing system? Or better: possible benefits:
    - Its easy to clean (no fumbling around in a barrel extension, etc.). I like this feature on my AUG
    - You can easily clear some types of malfunction (e. g. stuck case, broken case, ... you name it)
    - You can go from CQB length to DMR length quickly with the core of the rifle staying the same (I know.. there might be no reason to do that in 5 seconds, but as a side effect you simply can).
    - Quick and easy caliber changes are possible by just changing the barrel and the bolt head. Thatīs done within 60 seconds. The STM556 will be offered in 5,56, 7,62x39 and .300 Whisper for now. More to come. Barrel legths will be: 11,5", 13", 14,5", 16", 18", 20", and 22".
    - Because of that quick change system they are thinking of lMG versions in 5,56 and 7,63x39. Could be interesting.

    Probably there are more advantages. And if you see no benefit you can just treat it as every other rifle.

    The barrels are cold hammer forged, chrome lined and MANNOX coated. Also every other steel part is MANNOX coated.

    The gas settings are:
    - normal use
    - heavy use (weaker loads, dirt, temperature, etc.)
    - silencer
    - off (for barrel grenades and if you need a silent shot with a can without any motion of the bcg (think of .300 Whisper)

    The gas piston, which is a 35 years proved system, kicks a rod that is located in the handguard and can easily be removed, when the barrel is off. There is almost no dirt or carbon build up on this rod after heavy and sustained fire.

    The handguard/upper receiver is monolithic and made of forged 7075 aluminum. 3 reasons for the monolithic design:
    - optics
    - barrel change system
    - use of grenade launcher (have you ever seen high speed footage of an AUG mounted GL shooting a 40mm?)

    The ventilation holes on the side of the handguard will all be able to receive quick detach sling swivel attachments. Additionally you can mount different Picatinny rails that come with a cable slot (like the side AUG A3 rail).

    The safety catch will be able to be also engaged when the hammer is not cocked (some mil regulations want a rifle to be on safe before loaded).

    The most interesting thing is still in the experimental phase: They want to establish a permanent dry lubrication system in that rifle. This will also be possible due to the piston system, because heat is generated at the front end and not in the bolt carrier group.

    Additional remarks:

    This rifle is still a prototype! I just wonder how many experts are on the internet (especially on german forums) who are discussing wildely just because they see a picture of a prototype.

    Will this rifle be a toy for the overindividualized civilian who wants to change the handguard every other day? Probably not. But therefor it is also not designed to.
    Will you be able to shoot it "Costa-Style" (sorry). No. But a longer handguard is planned/possible as much as I know.

    Yes. After 5 Magazins of rapid fire the front end gets hot. But handling is still possible. And if you use a VFG you have absolutely no problems. And after that ammount of ammo you can still touch the bcg. And there was no cook off. BTW: I own a DI SBR with a Troy TRX Battle rail and I too donīt want to touch it at the front end without gloves after 5 mags of sustained fire.

    Regarding the serial numbers: In Austria (were the rifle is manufactured) only the barrel and the bolt head are considered as weapon parts. The lower (and the rest) you can buy like bread at a bakery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neville View Post
    Some comments of one of the developers:
    The part about being able to touch the BCG makes me laugh....you can do that on a DI BCG after 5 mags as well
    The heat difference is one thing always blown way out of proportion. The only part you do not want to touch is the gas key...now that will be hot.

    also this part: The most interesting thing is still in the experimental phase: They want to establish a permanent dry lubrication system in that rifle. This will also be possible due to the piston system, because heat is generated at the front end and not in the bolt carrier group.

    will never be possible, guns need lube thats all their is to it and the minute heat difference between DI and piston will not make a difference one way or the other regarding lubrication in a AR-15 platform rifle. When sand and other contaminates get brought into the mixture Lube is a necessity for any rifle based on the AR platform.
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    Thats quite contrary to what Larry Vickers has said about the DI system. He thinks heat is a huge problem that affects bolt life, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neville View Post
    Thats quite contrary to what Larry Vickers has said about the DI system. He thinks heat is a huge problem that affects bolt life, etc.
    Well there is testing on this very site that shows the difference is generally 40*F at most on the bolt. Certainly not enough to be any issue.

    I have also personally put 800 rounds o wolf through my AR-15 in 1hr and had to pull the bolt to remove a broken case thanks to wolfs great quality.....it was just warm to the touch.

    you make your own judgement.
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    This is 2012. The world is going to end this December and people are still trying to debate the merits of piece of shit, cost cutting crap AR's. Really?

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    I just want one for my personal reference collection, not as my go-to rifle. It is an interesting design and made by one of the premier European small arms manufacturers.

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    What other SBR gas pistons are out there?! DD doesn't sell any, KA doesn't sell any, LWRC nope, BCM nope... I need some assistance here guys...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Civil View Post
    What other SBR gas pistons are out there?! DD doesn't sell any, KA doesn't sell any, LWRC nope, BCM nope... I need some assistance here guys...
    LWRC most certainly does sell gas piston SBRs. Google is your friend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    I bet they are going to regret that gas-block placement of the MBUS.
    Yeah, that thing is going to get hot.
    Insert impressive resume here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Civil View Post
    What other SBR gas pistons are out there?!
    LWRC nope
    Uh, you sure about that?

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