IF disscussion/anything (Layne or others)

[Double3]

Ok I don't want to get that protien thread going in the wrong direction. Actually I already did, but lets get something else going. I haven't had a good discussion for a while on this stuff so lets go.

I also saw a bit of debate on fasting. While intermittant fasts or meal frequency do not have an impact on fat loss, they it is not optimal if you are looking to increase muscle mass or maintain it past the age of 45 when muscle mass typically starts to decline. I give some thoughts on my research into this subject here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5AX2ND3UYo

here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOUW2ruT8wA

and here www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdTkG32A6k4

admittedly, much of that will be beyond the scope of this conversation, but I thought it pertinent to include for anyone interested.

Hey Layne great videos. I've defiantly heard your name before and probably read some of your stuff years ago when I really had a lot of time to do so. I was also more into all this stuff at the time as well.

There isn't anything anyone could disagree with you on any of that if they have been around and have any idea what they are talking about.

IF is not optimal if you are looking to pack on the most muscle. Can't deny that. I'm sure if I say the name Iron Addict you know who I'm talking about? He was doing a bunch with IF before he passed. One thing we did was throw in BCAAs through the day and around lifting and had great results as to kind of making IF a way of adding muscle mass and staying very lean at the same time. The thing is if you are looking to stay lean and add muscle mass that obviously isn't optimal for adding the most muscle mass. What would you say is the difference when it comes to adding muscle mass while eating protien all day and eating most of it at one time? Are we looking at a small difference? Are we talking about that 3%. I know the blood levels and all that had big differences but the chart on body mass wasn't really that different.

I've kinda got away from supplementing BCAAs and protien for the last year or more. Basically cause I got cheap and wanted to see what kind of impact it would have. I also started fasting for 20 hours. I lost weight probably muscle mass but my strength did not get effected. I just recently decided to get some casein to add a little more protien in and eat a small amount around lunch time just to see what effect I can get. I'm still eating pretty much all my protien in the 4 hour window.

Anyway it all comes down to your goals. Anymore I just want to be strong as an ox and look great. IF is just so damn easy and fits into my life great. I've done all the weighing/measuring out food and making my life revolve around lifting and diet. IF makes me feel better than then, have more time, and I still have the same results.

[BioLayne]

Well hopefully knowing of me ahead of time is a good thing lol. As for IF, I guess it depends on why you want to do it? Does it fit your lifestyle best? If that's the case then drinking some BCAA/EAA throughout the day may be an advantage, still don't think it's quite as good however certainly a step up from an all out fast. My personal opinion is you can get almost all the benefits of IF by intermittently consuming your carbs, rather than restricting yourself of everything. IE you eat protein multiple times per day, but carbohydrate is confined to a specific time period.

[Double3]

What would you say is the difference when it comes to adding muscle mass while eating protien all day and eating most of it at one time? Are we looking at a small difference? Are we talking about that 3%. I know the blood levels and all that had big differences but the chart on body mass wasn't really that different.

Was muscle mass really that much different? You might notice a larger difference after years of this, like you might have another 1lb of muscle eating protien all day over eating it all at once after a couple years?

[BioLayne]

to be quite honest, it's something difficult to quantify. we saw about an 8% difference in our study

[Double3]

to be quite honest, it's something difficult to quantify. we saw about an 8% difference in our study

What did you find about when (protien or Lucine or whatever you look for) levels need to be replenished? Like how long after you eat? I mean I'm eating 1.5-2 lbs of meat every night plus some more protien later in the 4 hours from other sources. Say the end of the 4 hours is around 9:30pm, what am I looking at by noon the next day?

[Double3]

I'm asking cause you do the research but you don't seem to want to talk about IF...

Is it cause you can't explain why it works?

Could you steer me in the right direction with a link?

[BioLayne]

what? I just said I don't feel comfortable quantifying it for you because we just aren't sure. I gave you my best answer possible. I'm not going to make up something out of thin air just so you can have a hard answer you know? As for supplementing with leucine, that's better than nothing but you still run into the lack of other amino acids as substrates for protein synthesis. But if you were going to do it, I'd say 2-3g every 2-3 hours or so.

[WillBrink]

to be quite honest, it's something difficult to quantify. we saw about an 8% difference in our study

Did you publish a study on IF Layne? I haven't seen anything published as of yet, just usual anecdotal "it worked great for me" stuff with usual attempt to find magic macros and timing which has been attempted 9,485,723,027 times before, none which "fooled" the human body's eons of adaptive responses to fluctuation cals or macros.

What you got?

[Double3]

what? I just said I don't feel comfortable quantifying it for you because we just aren't sure. I gave you my best answer possible. I'm not going to make up something out of thin air just so you can have a hard answer you know? As for supplementing with leucine, that's better than nothing but you still run into the lack of other amino acids as substrates for protein synthesis. But if you were going to do it, I'd say 2-3g every 2-3 hours or so.

Well I thought you were answering about the muscle mass.

I was wondering how long after a meal do levels fall off? I would think that would be pretty clear. Maybe not, especially when dealing with that amount of food. When I was doing BCAAs throughout the day it was 3 times 10g of 4:1:1. I understand that I just wanna know when levels really fall off even though I'm not sure it is making that much of a difference.

What did you find about when (protien or Lucine or whatever you look for) levels need to be replenished? Like how long after you eat? I mean I'm eating 1.5-2 lbs of meat every night plus some more protien later in the 4 hours from other sources. Say the end of the 4 hours is around 9:30pm, what am I looking at by noon the next day?

[Double3]

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